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It's time for another "so how's Sweden doing with their herd mentality" and just look at that line. Let's continue watching how high that line can go.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gabrielleigh/2020/04/10/sweden-continues-with-controversial-coronavirus-strategy-is-it-a-big-mistake/

How's about deaths? Well...
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-sweden-no-lockdown-asks-people-to-stay-apart-2020-4

"As of Friday morning, the country of 10 million people had 9,141 cases and 793 deaths."

8.7%.
And rising.
They also passed the 100 new deaths a day on Tuesday so let's see how long the 200 line will take. So far they have slowed down the usual but once it ramps up... Well. We'll see. Because they're not locking anything down yet and already accept death in the thousands.


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Kinglicious posted...

It's time for another "so how's Sweden doing with their herd mentality" and just look at that line. Let's continue watching how high that line can go.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gabrielleigh/2020/04/10/sweden-continues-with-controversial-coronavirus-strategy-is-it-a-big-mistake/

How's about deaths? Well...
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-sweden-no-lockdown-asks-people-to-stay-apart-2020-4

"As of Friday morning, the country of 10 million people had 9,141 cases and 793 deaths."

8.7%.
And rising.
They also passed the 100 new deaths a day on Tuesday so let's see how long the 200 line will take. So far they have slowed down the usual but once it ramps up... Well. We'll see. Because they're not locking anything down yet and already accept death in the thousands.

The question is will they win in the long run.

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Person died to the virus in the town near mine. Age 44.

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I normally would not go out during these times, however Easter is tomorrow and it's a very important holiday so it is an exception. You have to buy groceries anyway, just keep faith, wash your hands, wash your cloths and it should be fine.

Please don't listen to the troll account. Do not go out tomorrow.

How people can live with themselves by giving advice that if one random person takes could result in the deaths of hundreds of people at minimum I have no idea.

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FriendofGod posted...

I normally would not recommend going out during these times, however Easter is tomorrow and it's a very important holiday so if anyone wants to go attend service tomorrow, they should go. You have to buy groceries anyway, just wash your hands and it should be fine.

No, people should absolutely not go to to church tomorrow. Being in close quarters with a bunch of people is considerably more dangerous than shopping, and washing your hands doesn't prevent direct spread from someone coughing in your face. And god forbid if people start singing and expelling the full contents of their lungs.

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Obviously the person is trolling and ur wasting ur time responding to the troll account, but there probably is going to be so many lawsuits filed over the lockdowns that it is going to be mind-blowing.

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Corrik7 posted...

The question is will they win in the long run.

I mean they will, it's more of how many people in the ICU, how many dead.


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Kinglicious posted...

I mean they will, it's more of how many people in the ICU, how many dead.

Maybe that is necessary for the long term.

Idk. It will be interesting to see play out.

If they come out of it fine economically, not in poverty and less deaths when everything is taken into consideration, they were clearly right.

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Yep, I'll agree there.

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Who do you guys think will be the first hardline lockdown politician that gets caught violating their own guidelines significantly?

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Whitmer
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So what exactly is the deal with Sweden? They're just telling people to social distance but the government is taking no action themselves?

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Waluigi1 posted...

So what exactly is the deal with Sweden? They're just telling people to social distance but the government is taking no action themselves?

Yes. They are basically going normal mode herd immunity. Be smart. We ain't shutting down.

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Not petting my cat until washing my hands while bringing in groceries(They were delivered) is a hard habit to break.

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Supposedly China being racist against African heritage people due to covid-19.

https://youtu.be/gBvZ6IQwT_s

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Guess Xi is taking a page from Trump's playbook and trying to find a scapegoat to deflect from his government's slow initial response.

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Dude, it's China.
Lying and pretending it's everyone else's fault is what they've always done and it's how this entire thing has been since the start. They've got their own playbooks.

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Jakyl25 posted...

As someone who is deep in this shit, Tim, what do you think needs to be done?

I have no fucking clue. I have seen a lot of shit during my time as a cop and the event I referenced is the first time I have ever felt overwhelmed. There is no real way to fight this. It seems to me like everybody in the world is gonna get this and some will die and some won't. That's the only way this ends.

https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1712761/

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Officially furloughed due to COVID. I already wasn't a huge fan of how long this was projected to have strict lockdowns in place so certainly color me less impressed now.

Projected back to work June 1st but that's subject to change. A minimum of 7 weeks of unemployment/goverment assisted pay is going to cost me a fuckton compared to my normal wage. Not sure how they think it's an adequate replacement when it's nowhere close to covering the bills.

ShatteredElysium posted...

Officially furloughed due to COVID. I already wasn't a huge fan of how long this was projected to have strict lockdowns in place so certainly color me less impressed now.

Projected back to work June 1st but that's subject to change. A minimum of 7 weeks of unemployment/goverment assisted pay is going to cost me a fuckton compared to my normal wage. Not sure how they think it's an adequate replacement when it's nowhere close to covering the bills.

How much did you make at your job?

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Corrik7 posted...

How much did you make at your job?

What I'll get in unemployment / government assistance won't even cover half of my wage.

ShatteredElysium posted...

What I'll get in unemployment / government assistance won't even cover half of my wage.

Sorry to hear that. I'd make more on unemployment than what I make base. Hopefully something comes up for you job wise.

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Worst part is I work somewhere that isn't even heavily affected. Florida doesn't look anywhere near as bad as other parts of the country. Only 10% of people tested are coming back postive and we have tested the second most in the country. (EDIT: Guess it's third most now as California has done more tests). We are at like 461 deaths which whilst shitty isn't anything close to places like NJ/NY and is fairly low on the deaths/population scale

ShatteredElysium posted...

Worst part is I work somewhere that isn't even heavily affected. Florida doesn't look anywhere near as bad as other parts of the country. Only 10% of people tested are coming back postive and we have tested the second most in the country. (EDIT: Guess it's third most now as California has done more tests). We are at like 461 deaths which whilst shitty isn't anything close to places like NJ/NY and is fairly low on the deaths/population scale

Warm weather definitely is helping you guys out.

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I know Holiday weekend numbers, but PA had 17 deaths reported today?


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One of the more odd countries in this right now is Australia. Restrictions have generally varied by state like in the US and they didn't act very proactively in general. Their testing infrastructure has been pretty good but doesn't seem like it would explain the dramatic tapering off of cases.

They were pretty warm when their outbreak first started, but general studies still allege that warm weather doesn't mitigate the spread by very much.

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Esuriat posted...

One of the more odd countries in this right now is Australia. Restrictions have generally varied by state like in the US and they didn't act very proactively in general. Their testing infrastructure has been pretty good but doesn't seem like it would explain the dramatic tapering off of cases.

They were pretty warm when their outbreak first started, but general studies still allege that warm weather doesn't mitigate the spread by very much.

Southern Hemisphere will get harder in our summer.

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Come live in my trailer, @ShatteredElysium . I'm still working so you can just Netflix and Chill at my place until June.

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It seems to me like most of the island countries have had an easier time containing the spread, for obvious reasons.

Maybe that has changed as I haven't been keeping up lately, but I have a lot of elderly family in Ireland so I was keeping track and it seems like they have done a good job so far.

SavageInTheBox posted...

It seems to me like most of the island countries have had an easier time containing the spread, for obvious reasons.

Maybe that has changed as I haven't been keeping up lately, but I have a lot of elderly family in Ireland so I was keeping track and it seems like they have done a good job so far.

That's why South Korea handled it so well. One militarized border and water.

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worth noting... for the past week there's been a steady increase of info regarding food. topics ranging from food waste to food shortages.

so just make sure you've still got that supply.
not like it'll all disappear at once but you'll randomly find no more meats of a certain type for extended periods, for example.

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Corrik7 posted...

Southern Hemisphere will get harder in our summer.

A little, yeah, but I don't expect it to be significantly worse. Some of that has to do with most of them not seeing a lot of the sustained low temperatures that you see in the north. And the case for actual seasonality is still relatively weak.

Most equatorial countries are still inconclusive. Indonesia's Java seems to be one of the hardest hit islands, but it's also incredibly densely populated so it's hard to compare it to the spread in Australia's cities.

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Esuriat posted...

A little, yeah, but I don't expect it to be significantly worse. Some of that has to do with most of them not seeing a lot of the sustained low temperatures that you see in the north. And the case for actual seasonality is still relatively weak.

Most equatorial countries are still inconclusive. Indonesia's Java seems to be one of the hardest hit islands, but it's also incredibly densely populated so it's hard to compare it to the spread in Australia's cities.

It can spread in warmer temperatures but it spreads the most around 39F.

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Got a letter today that they are gonna do layoffs. Salaried and hourly. I'm pretty much laid off soon.

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https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-south-korea-recovery-test-positive-20200413-z4okj4gx35ddveqs4lqaoturyy-story.html

They do say it could just be faulty tests.
But worth a concern as well.

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Kinglicious posted...

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-south-korea-recovery-test-positive-20200413-z4okj4gx35ddveqs4lqaoturyy-story.html

They do say it could just be faulty tests.
But worth a concern as well.

I don't trust any reinfection reports anymore after basically every single one involves a very recently recovered person.

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Yeah i think in some people the sickness just seems to linger. If you look at the covid positive reddit you can see bunches of people that have been sick like 30+ days but they have periods of a few days to even a week+ of feeling fine before getting symptomatic again

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Agreed, I think reactivation is the most likely answer to this. And there are concerns that it could simply turn dormant like hepatitis B or chicken pox/shingles only to activate much later, but that won't be known for much, much later. Right now it has to be treated as if there's no evidence either way, so of course it will be a "concern." I know that the convalescent plasma infusions for some of the so far "chronic" cases have resulted in rapid clearance so at the very least there seems to be possible treatment for these people.

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Ryokles posted...

Yeah i think in some people the sickness just seems to linger. If you look at the covid positive reddit you can see bunches of people that have been sick like 30+ days but they have periods of a few days to even a week+ of feeling fine before getting symptomatic again

This has been my experience. I had very mild symptoms for like a week, pretty much a cough and nothing else. Then I felt like I was literally going to die for a few days, then started getting better until it went away completely. Then without ever leaving my apartment or coming in contact with anyone, I started getting the cough and shortness of breath again.

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Hope you feel better soon dude

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https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/11/why-a-study-showing-that-covid-19-is-everywhere-is-good-news

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Thank you. I'm starting to feel better again other than my hips and legs being really sore, which Google actually tells me is a sign that the viral infection is subsiding. Of course, that may not be the case for COVID, but I'm optimistic.

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Glad you're on the mend

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SavageInTheBox posted...

Thank you. I'm starting to feel better again other than my hips and legs being really sore, which Google actually tells me is a sign that the viral infection is subsiding. Of course, that may not be the case for COVID, but I'm optimistic.

How much of your department is out with the virus? A substantial amount?

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Good, hope you continue getting better for real this time!

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SavageInTheBox posted...

This has been my experience. I had very mild symptoms for like a week, pretty much a cough and nothing else. Then I felt like I was literally going to die for a few days, then started getting better until it went away completely. Then without ever leaving my apartment or coming in contact with anyone, I started getting the cough and shortness of breath again.

That sucks but is in line with other anecdotal evidence Ive heard. Hope youre fully recovered soon, man.

The hip pain is extremely common in flu recovery, but yeah I dunno if that extends to COVID or not. I havent seen anything but again this is so new and, for example, the just confirmed loss of taste and smell were confirmed symptoms sometime last week. So we could very well see stuff like that added as we get a better understanding of it.

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I've seen murmurs float around about a thing known as ADE (antibody-dependent enhancement) which is where, upon reinfection, the antibodies from the initial infection augment the virus' spike protein in a way that entry into cells is facilitated. This makes for a far more severe infection. This was a significant barrier to the creation of both SARS and MERS vaccines during trials on mice and rabbits, but nothing conclusively showed what kind of outcomes humans would have with those since interest and funding evaporated.

I think with how widespread this virus is, and with plenty of recovered doctors and others in China, Iran, Italy, Spain, France, the US, etc. continuing to be exposed, evidence of this effect should be showing itself by now with far more intense infections and worse outcomes but I've seen absolutely nothing so far. It's something to continue looking out for, but I'm very optimistic this will not be the case. ADE being a thing with COVID-19 is a worst-case scenario.

It's also of course one of the reasons why the reinfection/reactivation topic is getting focused on a lot, but those stories haven't often indicated what kinds of symptoms these people are showing. But those that have have never mentioned much worse than mild symptoms.

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Yeah the few people I know that were confirmed positive are all fully recovered with no symptoms at all. Health care workers who are still getting exposed (well theyre wearing ppe but still) too and so far no symptoms again.

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