Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 389: AR-15 Minutes of Fame

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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

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Oh you didnt mean he literally said fuck time limits, I get it now.

I dont think anyone should want POLITICIANS deciding those time limits, is what I think hes saying. You should want doctors deciding if the procedure is ethical on a case by case basis. The only time people seek late term abortions are when something has gone horribly wrong, and lawmakers in many states are trying to say zero exceptions to no abortions allowed past a certain time limit.

Well, I think that the issue is less about doctors aborting a 9 month old fetus and more someone taking it upon themselves. Most abortion restrictions have provisions for those deemed medically necessary already, so it makes absolute sense to codify that into law, and making it a law takes ambiguity and "personal beliefs" out of the equation. You still see the occasional sicko out there saying abortion should be legal right up until the moment the baby comes out, which is just as monstrous as saying abortion should be completely banned.

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Well, I think that the issue is less about doctors aborting a 9 month old fetus and more someone taking it upon themselves. Most abortion restrictions have provisions for those deemed medically necessary already, so it makes absolute sense to codify that into law, and making it a law takes ambiguity and "personal beliefs" out of the equation. You still see the occasional sicko out there saying abortion should be legal right up until the moment the baby comes out, which is just as monstrous as saying abortion should be completely banned.

The new laws dont always have those provisions!

ElizeLutus posted...

My husband's side of the family is the only one with far right wingers, and we're not particularly close. But my husband told me what some of them have said:

One said "Poor guns. Everyone is blaming them. It's not the guns fault."

Another said that the shooter was a liberal, and that liberals will make it out to look like they're a Republican, and once it comes out that they're a liberal that everyone will stop trying to take away a 'god given right'

Another focused on mental health, and felt no laws could have stopped this.

yeah never mind

just got done talking with my right wing family members about this and of course they bring up all the Fox News talking points like fucking doors being the real problem and that there's nothing that can be done

we are truly a society in moral and spiritual decay

https://twitter.com/justinglawe/status/1530307317954142208?s=21&t=ORXJjMibgNOOhkya3rD6TQ

Genuinely unsettling.

what's horrifying my mind association is that bell with Monty Python/Holy Grail's "bring out your dead" scene

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://twitter.com/justinglawe/status/1530307317954142208?s=21&t=ORXJjMibgNOOhkya3rD6TQ

Genuinely unsettling.

Is this not just him reading victims names?

Doesn't this happen everywhere?

StartTheMachine posted...

just got done talking with my right wing family members about this and of course they bring up all the Fox News talking points like fucking doors being the real problem and that there's nothing that can be done

The line I'm hearing is that we spend too much on foreign aid when we should be spending it securing all our schools with armed guards, as many as it takes. Naturally, the solution in the 2A mindset involves increasing firepower. I think Elon Musk could float Robocop as the answer right now and some people would go for it

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61615236

Looks like another shooting happened, but the shooter was killed by a civilian. Could have been terrible. Obviously this isn't going to be big national news, but it's one of those things that you think about if it had gone differently, it would be yet another one this week in the headlines.

TomNook posted...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61615236

Looks like another shooting happened, but the shooter was killed by a civilian. Could have been terrible. Obviously this isn't going to be big national news, but it's one of those things that you think about if it had gone differently, it would be yet another one this week in the headlines.

Oh I expect you will hear a lot about it from the pro gun crowd. Good guy with a gun and all that.

Seginustemple posted...

The line I'm hearing is that we spend too much on foreign aid when we should be spending it securing all our schools with armed guards, as many as it takes. Naturally, the solution in the 2A mindset involves increasing firepower. I think Elon Musk could float Robocop as the answer right now and some people would go for it

Fact check for this dumb point: foreign aid is less than 1% of the USs budget

LordoftheMorons posted...

Fact check for this dumb point: foreign aid is less than 1% of the USs budget

Yeah, but it should be less than 0% of the US budget. That's right, other countries should be giving us aid.

masterplum posted...

Is this not just him reading victims names?

Doesn't this happen everywhere?

You can't be serious

StealThisSheen posted...

You can't be serious

Did you. Not have this happen to you before?

masterplum posted...

Did you. Not have this happen to you before?

Typically when referring to a tragedy, they don't read the names accompanied by a gong that sounds like it's the Hunger Games. It's not the act itself, it's how they went about it.

Forget the gong, there's this:

https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1530359708405616640

StealThisSheen posted...

Typically when referring to a tragedy, they don't read the names accompanied by a gong that sounds like it's the Hunger Games. It's not the act itself, it's how they went about it.

hey man, those murdered children are martyrs and patriots

it's like the founding fathers said, the tree of gun owner's rights must occasionally be watered by the blood of grade schoolers

It feels more like a victory lap than a somber remembrance, that's the problem.

https://mronline.org/2022/05/26/u-s-federal-reserve-says-its-goal-is-to-get-wages-down/

If anyone wants example x on why I have so much rage against 'centrist democrats' - Biden and Senate Democrats lovingly gave this man a second four year term.

(Republicans are still worse. By a mile. Never a bad time to remind people of this when I am complaining about Biden)

DoomTheGyarados posted...

https://mronline.org/2022/05/26/u-s-federal-reserve-says-its-goal-is-to-get-wages-down/

If anyone wants example x on why I have so much rage against 'centrist democrats' - Biden and Senate Democrats lovingly gave this man a second four year term.

(Republicans are still worse. By a mile. Never a bad time to remind people of this when I am complaining about Biden)

I mean in fairness he didn't say that until after getting a second term. Not sure how Biden could have predicted that.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

https://mronline.org/2022/05/26/u-s-federal-reserve-says-its-goal-is-to-get-wages-down/

If anyone wants example x on why I have so much rage against 'centrist democrats' - Biden and Senate Democrats lovingly gave this man a second four year term.

(Republicans are still worse. By a mile. Never a bad time to remind people of this when I am complaining about Biden)

Jeebus.

And I feel like I always need to post that disclaimer too, particularly if I post something on Reddit because MAGA dopes always come out of the woodworks to try and "both sides" everything if they smell a hint of blood in the water.

Something I like to point out as a point in favor of Biden is Jennifer Abruzzo, who has done a ton to support labor. Here is a link for an important policy change that took place last month, an editorial as to why it is important, and then another editorial from WSJ whining about how evil she is and how mean she is to employers just in case you needed more convincing she's doing a good job.

https://www.nlrb.gov/news-outreach/news-story/nlrb-general-counsel-jennifer-abruzzo-issues-memo-on-captive-audience-and
https://newrepublic.com/article/166143/jennifer-abruzzo-nlrb-quiet-hero-biden-administration
https://www.wsj.com/articles/jennifer-abruzzo-biden-administration-abolish-union-unionization-elections-nlrb-labor-force-voting-right-to-work-11650315608

Always worth pointing out when centrist democrats (particularly from bright blue states) are being terrible, but stuff like this at least helps me from fulling embracing the despair of the situation.

"Wages are too high!"

Meanwhile... record profits for companies.

How about Jerome Powell cut his own salary to $0.00

The goal is to get inflation down

Nominal wage growth doesnt help people if its coming alongside massive inflation

I laugh every time we raise wages at the bottom and then are shocked at inflation when we don't take the money from the top

I called this a year ago when all the $15 minimum wage talk was happening, did you think fastfood was going to take a loss? Margins are already thin at that level.

If we don't get a wealth tax down before raising wages then inflation is going to wipe out wage gains every time

Reminder that inflation is imaginary in terms of it 'needing' to happen in an economy as massive and needed as the US's. inflation is high with record profits for a reason.

Too bad our government will let them price hike all they want

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Reminder that inflation is imaginary in terms of it 'needing' to happen in an economy as massive and needed as the US's. inflation is high with record profits for a reason.

Of course it doesn't "Need to happen", but it is inevitable if you put in a price floor

If you are forced to pay workers more and your marketplace isn't perfectly elastic that is going to result in higher prices every time, so you are going to be constantly creating inflation as you try to keep minimum wages chasing a standard of living.

Its why I think basic income makes way more sense. You pump money directly from rich people into poor people and that dramatically decreases inflation disruptions to industries that rely on low cost labor

swordz9 posted...

Too bad our government will let them price hike all they want

Well the alternative to that is just shortages. Contrary to popular belief, outside of specific industries that directly benefit from price spikes due to fixed contracts, price ceilings are going to cause companies to pack it up and go home.

Unless you have the government take over production but then we are in a full command economy and we are wildly outside the realm of anything that is remotely feasible. We might as well just start talking about what if fusion power is invented because that is more likely than current america becoming communist

masterplum posted...

Of course it doesn't "Need to happen", but it is inevitable if you put in a price floor

If you are forced to pay workers more and your marketplace isn't perfectly elastic that is going to result in higher prices every time, so you are going to be constantly creating inflation as you try to keep minimum wages chasing a standard of living.

Its why I think basic income makes way more sense. You pump money directly from rich people into poor people and that dramatically decreases inflation disruptions to industries that rely on low cost labor

That's the thing. If inflation and workers wages kept up then that's... pretty chill. That's understandable. Buying power remains the same, the numbers don't really matter.

Basic income makes a ton of sense! But inflation and wages have been decoupled for over 40 years now and that is purposeful economic policy on behalf of both parties because they suck.

My guess is inflation and wages have largely been decoupled because wages have stagnated to such an extent. Inflation adjusted federal minimum wage was almost double 60 years ago, and inflation has other factors than just wages obviously.

masterplum posted...

My guess is inflation and wages have largely been decoupled because wages have stagnated to such an extent. Inflation adjusted federal minimum wage was almost double 60 years ago, and inflation has other factors than just wages obviously.

Other factors like companies liking those record profits lol

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Other factors like companies liking those record profits lol

People keep throwing out record profits, but are they inflation adjusted record profits?

Reminds me of how every big movie is the biggest movie ever when the biggest movie ever really was gone with the wind 80 years ago by magnitudes

masterplum posted...

People keep throwing out record profits, but are they inflation adjusted record profits?

Reminds me of how every big movie is the biggest movie ever when the biggest movie ever really was gone with the wind 80 years ago by magnitudes

Not sure about that but the fact they have crazy profits regardless is the issue because of who that profit benefits. We are saying the same thing in regards to the money issue it is just if wages cost companies more there would be a little less to tax at years end!

masterplum posted...

People keep throwing out record profits, but are they inflation adjusted record profits?

Profit margins, measured as a %, were at the highest in the last 70 years in 2021. Every quarter was above 13% which had only been hit in a single quarter in the past 70 years.

https://twitter.com/muellershewrote/status/1531078765589106695?s=21&t=wiGy64jIH0Ae6YUhGLUPyA

Good thread.

For me to poop on.

I mean if you won't vote for democrats you do in fairness present a problem. Got to vote because boy are Republicans super evil

10k at least eases the burden for some people, but I wouldnt be happy unless the couple it with significant structural improvements so incoming students arent dealing with this exact same issue ten years from now with no hope of any level of forgiveness.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I mean if you won't vote for democrats you do in fairness present a problem. Got to vote because boy are Republicans super evil

I mean this too but if people are still both sidesing things I dont think this sort of thread is going to make them reconsider. Or if anything will, honestly.

Suprak the Stud posted...

10k at least eases the burden for some people, but I wouldnt be happy unless the couple it with significant structural improvements so incoming students arent dealing with this exact same issue ten years from now with no hope of any level of forgiveness.

Agreed 100%. 10k needs to be the starting point, not the finale.

In fairness to Biden he does keep things to chip away at student debt problems. He has done like 10 of these things now.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://twitter.com/muellershewrote/status/1531078765589106695?s=21&t=wiGy64jIH0Ae6YUhGLUPyA

Good thread.

For me to poop on.

Is this person under the impression that the Republicans have the presidency and Congress right now

Studies showed most people with over 10k don't need forgiveness. I'm rooting for it but my household income is around 200k and I would still qualify under the income limits thrown around.

That is honesty absurd.

I agree with the idea that one time forgiveness without structural changes is really dumb

Kenri posted...

Is this person under the impression that the Republicans have the presidency and Congress right now

They partially have one of those.

College in general is an absolute money pit. Expensive tuition, expensive books 99% of the time are discontinued after your class so you cant even get anything back for them, insanely hard to pay back for most people, etc. It feels like a giant scam in ways.

masterplum posted...

Studies showed most people with over 10k don't need forgiveness. I'm rooting for it but my household income is around 200k and I would still qualify under the income limits thrown around.

That is honesty absurd.

I agree with the idea that one time forgiveness without structural changes is really dumb

All progressives want structural change!

One thing to keep in mind is that most federal student debt is held by a few (relatively) people.

Per WaPo: 53% of borrowers owe less than $20k (and 33% have 10k or less in loans) but they only account for 13% of all federal student debt.

60% of all student debt is held by the 25% of borrowers who owe $40k or more.(Including 6% who owe over $100k accounting for 38% of it.)

I'm not saying $10k should be the end of it, and structural change to get student debt/tuition under control is absolutely needed but I think $10k is being undersold here in terms of how many people it would help.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://twitter.com/muellershewrote/status/1531078765589106695?s=21&t=wiGy64jIH0Ae6YUhGLUPyA

Good thread.

For me to poop on.

Nah this is 100% accurate. You can push for more while also supporting the objectively correct option we have at the moment.

xp1337 posted...

One thing to keep in mind is that most federal student debt is held by a few (relatively) people.

Per WaPo: 53% of borrowers owe less than $20k (and 33% have 10k or less in loans) but they only account for 13% of all federal student debt.

60% of all student debt is held by the 25% of borrowers who owe $40k or more.(Including 6% who owe over $100k accounting for 38% of it.)

I'm not saying $10k should be the end of it, and structural change to get student debt/tuition under control is absolutely needed but I think $10k is being undersold here in terms of how many people it would help.

yah this makes sense to me tbh. Like Biden has actually been really sneaky about this. Between this and the other carve outs he has already helped a lot of people. I am very interested in systemic changes.

KamikazePotato posted...

Nah this is 100% accurate. You can push for more while also supporting the objectively correct option we have at the moment.

See I didnt expect zero people to not recognize the Twitter account, but Mueller, She Wrote was a podcast that hyped up the Mueller report, but the reason that thread is poop-worthy is because the host got their $72,000 in students loans and $55,000 in PPP forgivenall while saying look folks, accept $10k and if its not enough, think about dying kids.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I mean if you won't vote for democrats you do in fairness present a problem. Got to vote because boy are Republicans super evil

Also like, while technically true you are smart enough to know this is literally just slowing the speed we skid across the runway and crash.

Were all still going to die, why waste time scolding people who see it as futile and instead of saying vote or Republicans win, you should prioritize Democrats do what you said you would or Republicans win.

https://twitter.com/davidaxelrod/status/1530985532519489536?s=21&t=gDwqVDJ2KtX7PwKDWVOKsw

?????

I get what he's trying to say but boy is it a bad point

"the indispensable role of police" is apparently code for "the need for an organization that will do what police explicitly don't, which is actually protect people"