Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 389: AR-15 Minutes of Fame

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And the Democratic party seems more than willing to sleepwalk (pun intended) into a massacre that is going to lead to enough elected Republicans to change laws and take enough control of the levers of power to legally January 6th their way into perpetual power.

We are probably completely fucked beyond all belief, and at this point anyone who still insists its on the electoraterather than the people currently in officeis no better than the GOP psychos to me.

Its on the electorate too. Closing your eyes to that fact doesnt help anything.

Ok lol, if it helps you cope with our imminent apocalypse to blame people with literally zero individual power to do anything about it, Ill let you believe that.

And I know thats condescending as hell, but there are about 100 things Joe Biden could do today that would help people and give them a reason to believe Democrats actually WANT to do anything, but instead hell talk about how McConnell is a good guy and how we need a strong Republican Party.

Yeah if only those people had some agency to change that. If people are ignorant at this point, theyre willfully ignorant. Weve had plenty of chances to nominate good progressive candidates and they always get their asses handed to them.

This is what people want. Let them have it. Wash your hands and believe in the inherent goodness of the American people if you want.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Ok lol, if it helps you cope with our imminent apocalypse to blame people with literally zero individual power to do anything about it, Ill let you believe that.

And I know thats condescending as hell, but there are about 100 things Joe Biden could do today that would help people and give them a reason to believe Democrats actually WANT to do anything, but instead hell talk about how McConnell is a good guy and how we need a strong Republican Party.

I mean, to be fair, that's on the electorate too. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, the overwhelming majority of the Democratic base at large is made up of moderates who only stick with the Dems because the Republicans are psychotic in their culture wars. They don't completely agree with Democratic policy and are frightened of moving too far left because insert bullshit self-centered reason here. That's who elected Biden: the same moderates who reelected Susan Collins in Maine despite overwhelmingly picking Biden over Trump for the presidency. They fucking suck, but they're the majority, and they're who the Democrats desperately pander to because they know that if they don't, that's a net negative of one vote from people apathetic and buying into the "both sides are the same", or a net negative of TWO votes from people who say "Well fuck this culture war stuff, at least the GOP doesn't want to raise my taxes to help some group I'm not a part of".

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

And I know thats condescending as hell, but there are about 100 things Joe Biden could do today that would help people and give them a reason to believe Democrats actually WANT to do anything, but instead hell talk about how McConnell is a good guy and how we need a strong Republican Party.

You're not wrong at all about this, but: 70 million Americans don't get to vote for Trump and then receive an "actually the electorate is blameless", sorry

Kenri posted...

You're not wrong at all about this, but: 70 million Americans don't get to vote for Trump and then receive an "actually the electorate is blameless", sorry

Yeah, basically this is what Im trying to say.

Youre insane to think the electorate is anything other than complicit in this.

Kenri posted...

You're not wrong at all about this, but: 70 million Americans don't get to vote for Trump and then receive an "actually the electorate is blameless", sorry

Worth noting: Biden's lead over Trump in the popular vote was smaller than his lead in just California and New York. That's pretty good evidence that in most of the country people really don't want what Democrats are pushing.

The electorate (and public in general) are far more to blame than any politicians. Politicians only have power because people elect them.

Kenri posted...

You're not wrong at all about this, but: 70 million Americans don't get to vote for Trump and then receive an "actually the electorate is blameless", sorry

Sure, but Republicans want whats coming and Republicans deliver the goods so they dont regret it.

Let me put it another way: Regardless of their motive, Republicans give their base anything possible and dont spend a single solitary second contemplating backlash or if Democrats want it too.

The elected GOP worker harder than Democrats for their base, if youre asking Democratic voters to work harder for less result, thats fine, but Im telling you that it cant possibly work forever and were all fucked because of it.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Regardless of their motive, Republicans give their base anything possible

For the record, I don't agree with this. Trump had a supermajority and no self-restraint and got shockingly little done outside of Supreme Court justices. The GOP drags their feet just as much if not more than the Democrats - they're just better at pretending.

KamikazePotato posted...

The electorate (and public in general) are far more to blame than any politicians. Politicians only have power because people elect them.

absolutely get the fuck out of here with this, lol. Please explain how the voters are to blame for the Democratic President not signing executive orders to do things he literally said If you elect me, I will do this?

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

absolutely get the fuck out of here with this, lol. Please explain how the voters are to blame for the Democratic President not signing executive orders to do things he literally said If you elect me, I will do this?

It's a little bit more complicated than that when Americans are so stupid they think the gop would handle inflation better. Both are bad tbh

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

absolutely get the fuck out of here with this, lol. Please explain how the voters are to blame for the Democratic President not signing executive orders to do things he literally said If you elect me, I will do this?

well we didnt elect him. trump won

KamikazePotato posted...

For the record, I don't agree with this. Trump had a supermajority and no self-restraint and got shockingly little done outside of Supreme Court justices. The GOP drags their feet just as much if not more than the Democrats - they're just better at pretending.

Democrats in some way are better at giving GOP voters what they say they want than the GOP are, they just fail so hard at messaging!

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

absolutely get the fuck out of here with this, lol. Please explain how the voters are to blame for the Democratic President not signing executive orders to do things he literally said If you elect me, I will do this?

You misunderstand me - politicians are absolute trash as well. But the voters are still mostly to blame. If they held politicians to standards, then Biden might actually feel pressured to sign a bunch of executive orders. From his perspective, it probably doesn't matter if he does or not, because half the country is being held hostage by Nazis who make it impossible for Democratic voters to vote for any Republican in good conscience.

Jakyl25 posted...

Democrats in some way are better at giving GOP voters what they say they want than the GOP are, they just fail so hard at messaging!

Actually yeah theres some truth to this, and this topic kinda bares this out lol.

When Dems lose they blame the voters, when Repubs lose they blame the candidate (or the Dems).

Have you ever spent any actual time around Republicans, Tony? Spend a day listening to their perspectives and the reason why they vote? Because you would absolutely start blaming them after that.

Almost 50% of the countrty doesn't want Democracy, why have hope for anything at this point.

Leafeon13N posted...

Almost 50% of the countrty doesn't want Democracy, why have hope for anything at this point.

This tbh.

I just play games and wait our demise.

KamikazePotato posted...

Have you ever spent any actual time around Republicans, Tony? Spend a day listening to their perspectives and the reason why they vote? Because you would absolutely start blaming them after that.

Nah they'll start talking about how Dems want to take his guns or make him wear a mask and then get along just fine.

(Also sorry Tony I'm in a big pessimistic mood I'll pretty much take a shot at everything in range at this point)

DoomTheGyarados posted...

This tbh.

I just play games and wait our demise.

Leafeon13N posted...

Almost 50% of the countrty doesn't want Democracy, why have hope for anything at this point.

My people right here.

Remember that time someone who I won't name defended the healthcare system of this country. Said they liked their insurance.

As someone with hospital bills that person who is nameless can go fuck themselves.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Remember that time someone who I won't name defended the healthcare system of this country. Said they liked their insurance.

Nope we are out of context. This is relative to what the GOP are offering.

Leafeon13N posted...

Nope we are out of context. This is relative to what the GOP are offering.

(Do you think I am talking about you)

I mean what the GOP is offering is the hospitals get to harvest the organs of the poor so thats not a high bar.

Oh and hope youre feeling better Chris! Now I can say this without derailing a contest Im supposed to be running.

I am doing better yes. My thyroid being underactive is not a short term death sentence merely a very bad quality of life one. I am resting at home now listening to my partner game while I think about the future.

KamikazePotato posted...

Have you ever spent any actual time around Republicans, Tony? Spend a day listening to their perspectives and the reason why they vote? Because you would absolutely start blaming them after that.

I live in Matt Gaetz district in Florida and travel to Alabama for work lol, what do you think?

Coincidentally, heres a text I sent to my group chat today:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/7/4/AAGQPmAADULS.jpg

But at the end of the day, all these psychos are just loud bags of meat and gasits the people they elect who take away medical care for my trans friends. Its the people they elect who decide you cant say gay in schools.

As a matter of fact, its GOP politicians who lead their base, while the same cant be said of Dems.

Trumpism infected the GOP because he got up there and said shit they turned out to like. With very few exceptions, the politicians stand on the pulpit and say crazy shit to rile up their base, not the other way around.

Ah thats good at least. Well not good but at least not as bad as I initially thought. Hopefully theyre playing something relaxing.

Leafeon13N posted...

Nah they'll start talking about how Dems want to take his guns or make him wear a mask and then get along just fine.

Also yeah well get along in our face to face interactions because I have the privilege of being a white dude who can blend in.

But for the record, if you have no hope for this country and are still anti-gun at this point. To put it lightly, I think thats a bad idea.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

blend in.

But for the record, it you have no hope for this country and are still anti-gun at this point. To put it lightly, I think thats a bad idea.

Yep Tony taking the bait and leaning right into it.

But if you are implying peasants picking up guns and murdering each other would change anything lol.

I actually got convinced by vaush on guns a bit. There is clearly bo appetite politically for meaningful gun control so if you can't have that make sure you own guns yourself.

Leafeon13N posted...

Yep Tony taking the bait and leaning right into it.

But if you are implying peasants picking up guns and murdering each other would change anything lol.

No Im not implying that, actually. I dont know why you work so hard at missing the point, dude.

Do you think the GOP wants to make being gay or trans illegal: yes or no?

Do you think its possible they succeed: yes or no?

If you answer yes to either of those, do you think its better for the group who has guns and 100% wont give them up to be the only people who have them?

Just wondering, call it bait or whatever, but were talking about a half dozen different mini-apocalypses in a country where removing guns is impossible.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I actually got convinced by vaush on guns a bit. There is clearly bo appetite politically for meaningful gun control so if you can't have that make sure you own guns yourself.

We're well beyond the point the populace having guns would do anything in meaningful conflict just a massive amount of untrained people murdering each other and more people with guns when their mental health declines, which in this country seems inevitable.

Leafeon13N posted...

We're well beyond the point the populace having guns would do anything in meaningful conflict just a massive amount of untrained people murdering each other and more people with guns when their mental health declines, which in this country seems inevitable.

Right so we are back to hopelessness I just *get* a lefty wanting a gun in current climate.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Right so we are back to hopelessness I just *get* a lefty wanting a gun in current climate.

Tony admitted long ago he just wants them for toys. The rest is just bad faith argument to keep his fun.

Leafeon13N posted...

Tony admitted long ago he just wants them for toys. The rest is just bad faith argument to keep his fun.

No I fucking did not lmao.

I literally said I live in MAGA country and want them because Id rather have them than not when the people weve both identified as psycho and dangerous have them.

I also said theyre fun, but I also said if I could snap my fingers to make them disappear entirely I would.

But I live in a country where thats never happening.

You wanna try again?

Sure you did Tony.

But sure live out your hero fantasy of shooting up some MAGA goons or whatever.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

No I fucking did not lmao.

I literally said I live in MAGA country and want them because Id rather have them than not when the people weve both identified as psycho and dangerous have them.

I also said theyre fun, but I also said if I could snap my fingers to make them disappear entirely I would.

But I live in a country where thats never happening.

You wanna try again?

Guns are fun, eh?

November is going to be interesting. The economics of the country make it look bad for Democrats, but I don't think any of the swing voters are going to change their minds because of it with how publicized all of the Roe vs Wade and gun violence is.

I think its going to come to enthusiasm, and that's going to be determined by the length of time since the latest huge GOP blow up imo

masterplum posted...

I don't think any of the swing voters are going to change their minds because of it with how publicized all of the Roe vs Wade and gun violence is.

No one cares about this stuff. They care about their wallet and want a villain to blame.

Everyone thinks guns/abortion are someone elses problem.

Leafeon13N posted...

Sure you did Tony.

No, I literally said the living in MAGA country thing and you specifically called me paranoid. @Mr_Lasastryke do you want to look this up for me? I would but I primarily post on mobile and the log runs like shit on my phone lol.

Leafeon13N posted...

But sure live out your hero fantasy of shooting up some MAGA goons or whatever.

I cant tell if its trolling or a very specific lack of imagination that you can only see guns used to attack.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I cant tell if its trolling or a very specific lack of imagination that you can only see guns used to attack.

you do understand that guns exist to kill people, right

like, that's the only thing they can do

the only way a gun can "defend" you is by killing another person

Weve reach levels of bad faith never before thought possible.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I cant tell if its trolling or a very specific lack of imagination that you can only see guns used to attack

I live in reality Tony.

In your reality, is it possible to disarm the psycho republicans: yes or no?

I think people have a warped view of what a political takeover in this country would involve.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

In your reality, is it possible to disarm the psycho republicans: yes or no?

Got to start somewhere.

But the larger point is everyone has equal propensity to be a psycho under the right circumstances.