Current Events > Lizzo close to 'quitting' music because of all of the online abuse she receives

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codey posted...

I counter with Fat Joe. You try telling me being obese isn't part of Fat fucking Joe's image, and no one is going into a topic about his discography discussing when they think he'll have a heart attack because he's obese.

Yeah, but Fat Joe wasn't twerking in your face.

ironman2009 posted...

Biggie got his name from a movie

Ehh, he was being called Big before he started rapping and then Biggie came after. If he hadnt been called Big, because of his weight, maybe Biggie Smalls (even though it was a very short lived name) never even happens.

codey posted...

I counter with Fat Joe. You try telling me being obese isn't part of Fat fucking Joe's image, and no one is going into a topic about his discography discussing when they think he'll have a heart attack because he's obese.

Good counter, but still not quite. Being, well, fat is certainly part of his image, but not the "fuck the haters, there's nothing wrong with this, I'm fat and proud, fight me on this" angle that Lizzo has. Subtle but big difference.

That said, the biggest difference is almost certainly simply that she's a woman. Culturally, there is more shunning when it comes to obese women than men. Sexuality being apart of Lizzo's act and combined with being obese certainly isn't a factor that FJ/Biggie also didn't do.

Only reason people knew who fat joe was was because of big pun who was also a fat bastard.

VFalcone posted...

I say this with a heavy heart that with the tons of abuse the internet pounds her with, she should get off the 'gram, and without an ounce of shame. It would be a huge weight lifted off her shoulders.

Well played

AirFresh posted...

I think Lizzo wants to use her fame to spread the feeling that you should feel comfortable in your own skin above all else

This is exactly it. People keep misunderstanding that she's trying to claim that being obese is healthy. But it's really about not being ashamed of how you look, no matter what your weight is. Because fat people get bullied and discriminated against a lot. People shouldn't feel ashamed to be seen. That's not a good feeling

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

That's true on paper. The difference, and KEY difference, is Biggie didn't make his weight apart of his identity. Lizzo does, it's basically her most known aspect of her identity. It's a certainty that the vitriol towards her would be far less if this was not the case.

Um, being fat was DEFINITELY a part of Biggie's image. He mentions it in a few songs.

The internet will always be a hate machine. You gotta learn to tune that shit out >_> It's just a bunch of strangers

It's weird how of all the celebrities out there, Lizzo always seems to get multiple page threads.

masterpug53 posted...

Yes, actually, it is. That's why the 'ten nazis sitting at a table' saying exists.

Huh. So Im complicit now, am I?

How is my accepting that there are millions of millions of nasty people whom I have absolutely no control over in the world an act of complicity?

Seriously, how do you figure that?

You know what? Never mind.

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

Good counter, but still not quite. Being, well, fat is certainly part of his image, but not the "fuck the haters, there's nothing wrong with this, I'm fat and proud, fight me on this" angle that Lizzo has. Subtle but big difference.

How does Fat Joe respond to people telling him hes a disgusting person because of his weight?

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Kinda irrelevant, as she's an American artist, and there's a limit to how much you can aspect one to balance the entire world's cultural subtleties. Saying you're going to bugger someone is offensive in UK/Australia, but has little relevance to American English ears. Just how it goes.

There's no such thing as non-global celebrities anymore, so I'm not saying the complaints aren't unwarranted. But it was surprising how "big" of an issue it became, especially when that's rather tame compared to a LOT of other lyrics from other artists. The difference, again, is Lizzo has made it part of her identity to care about stuff like that, so she essentially invited the problem onto herself.

AirFresh posted...

Lizzo uses her fame to try to spread good cheer and for people to feel good about themselves. It's clearly a mental thing, and the negative comments do not help. And because she is talented and has money, people think it's just okay to completely get on her and say the nastiest things. From my perspective I see someone who is trying to help people who feel similar and be a champion but of course society shuns anything that is not perfection. I am not even a fan of her music or her at all, but I can see that. For some reason if you have money you have no right to be a human being in society, when clearly her issue is not laziness but mental. Have compassion for fellow human beings instead of sitting on a throne of negativity to make yourself feel better

At the end of the day though, being overweight increases a person's negativity. It throws off all a person's chemicals out of balance. It isn't healthy. So yeah, I don't think people should harass her or insult her weight, but I do think they should gently encourage her to pursue a healthier weight rather than encourage her to be unhealthy, because that's a big part of what is making her unhappy.

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

Good counter, but still not quite. Being, well, fat is certainly part of his image, but not the "fuck the haters, there's nothing wrong with this, I'm fat and proud, fight me on this" angle that Lizzo has. Subtle but big difference.

Dude Fat Joe's whole image was "yes I'm fat but I'm a bad fucking dude, fight me." His full name was Fat Joe da Gangsta.

Nobody spams Fat Joe's obesity here.

I've had to block people for posting certain pics of Lizzo.

That's the difference.

Tenlaar posted...

How does Fat Joe respond to people telling him hes a disgusting person because of his weight?

I'm not sure that he has to, because he's not openly courting discourse about it. So, no one bothers.

This is like when people say theyll quit gamefaqs. I would seriously miss them and hope they dont.

CoyoteTheGreat posted...

At the end of the day though, being overweight increases a person's negativity. It throws off all a person's chemicals out of balance. It isn't healthy. So yeah, I don't think people should harass her or insult her weight, but I do think they should gently encourage her to pursue a healthier weight rather than encourage her to be unhealthy, because that's a big part of what is making her unhappy.

Nobody's encouraging her to be unhealthy, though? She does work out and you have no clue about her diet. Not sure why people like yourself make up false narratives around her unless it's to justify talking about her weight?

Tenlaar posted...

How does Fat Joe respond to people telling him hes a disgusting person because of his weight?

He's actually lost a significant amount weight.
Look at him from the twins music video and look at him now.

In our time, bullying is considered acceptable as long as the victim deserves it. I don't listen to Lizzo (my phone autocorrected that to Pizza at first, amusingly enough) and don't feel strongly about her, but she's giving us a blueprint for how to chase away shitty artists. Think we can make Drake quit?

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

I'm not sure that he has to, because he's not openly courting discourse about it. So, no one bothers.

You're putting the cart before the horse there, chief. Lizzo didn't just start talking about her weight or body positivity right out the gate. She only started bringing it up AFTER others got on her about it.

There's also the fact that Fat Joe is sadly passe compared to Lizzo these days. She's simply a better known celebrity globally, especially with Gen Z.

More fame, more problems also applies.

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

I'm not sure that he has to, because he's not openly courting discourse about it. So, no one bothers.

Are you now claiming that Lizzo came into the scene talking about how she doesnt feel bad about her weight before people starting commenting on it and saying ugly things about her and thus its her own fault?

She should get fit and in shape and make a come back, blow away the haters.

NecroFoul99 posted...

Huh. So Im complicit now, am I?

How is my accepting that there are millions of millions of nasty people in the world an act of complicity?

Seriously, how do you figure that?

Because, as has been pointed out several times, people with a pessimistic 'that's just the way the world works' stance are always under the mistaken impression that they're being deep and worldly by espousing it; you're not telling anyone anything they don't already know. So by digging in your heels and continuing to stress this, you are tacitly endorsing awful internet behavior by inadvertently attempting to break others' spirits over working towards improving it.

We're so close!

this is a shitpost

lolife67 posted...

You're putting the cart before the horse there, chief. Lizzo didn't just start talking about her weight or body positivity right out the gate. She only started bringing it up AFTER others got on her about it.

I'll admit I'm not up to date on my, um, Lizzo timeline. But circle back to my early comment about that maybe being likely to a woman, sadly. And if she was sexualizing herself before that, then there yah go.

Which is not quite, but almost irelvant, because taking that and turning it into an identity factor, rather than ignoring it, made all the difference.

For the record in case anyone wants to try this angle, I'm not saying there's merit to abuse towards Lizzo, or that she should receive it. No one ever should. But there's some pretty common sense explanations why she's a lighting rod for this stuff compared to others.

Incels don't like that she is out of their league.

Lizzo is extremely talented and has made some good music.

Couldn't care less what she looks like. Pretty sure some of the people who attack her over her weight use that as a cover for their misogyny and . . . other things.

Looking on the internet for opinions on you is opening the door to the shit room, regardless.

masterpug53 posted...

Because, as has been pointed out several times, people with a pessimistic 'that's just the way the world works' stance are always under the mistaken impression that they're being deep and worldly by espousing it; you're not telling anyone anything they don't already know. So by digging in your heels and continuing to stress this, you are tacitly endorsing awful internet behavior by inadvertently attempting to break others' spirits over working towards improving it.

I see. Thats very deep.

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

I'll admit I'm not up to date on my, um, Lizzo timeline. But circle back to my early comment about that maybe being likely to a woman, sadly. And if she was sexualizing herself before that, then there yah go.

Which is not quite, but almost irelvant, because taking that and turning it into an identity factor, rather than ignoring it, made all the difference.

For the record in case anyone wants to try this angle, I'm not saying there's merit to abuse towards Lizzo, or that she should receive it. No one ever should. But there's some pretty common sense explanations why she's a lighting rod for this stuff compared to others.

Then you probably shouldn't have tried to claim the reason for her receiving more hate was her fault.

The real (common sense) reason is mysoginy, sexism and racism.

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Of all CE topics on CE, this is certainly one of them.

Wonder if she lost weight if her voice would change.

How would quitting music solve things? Presumably she'd still have an online presence

Corporate needs you to find the difference between these two schools of thought:

"If Lizzo didn't want to be picked on for her weight, she shouldn't have called attention to it in the first place."

"If those people don't want to be called by that word, then they shouldn't call themselves that in the first place."

NecroFoul99 posted...

I see. Thats very deep.

Twice now you've claimed that you've had enough of this topic. Please let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

masterpug53 posted...

Twice now you've claimed that you've had enough of this topic. Please let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

I dont have any control over how you choose to behave, but I do accept it because I have zero control over it.

NecroFoul99 posted...

I dont have any control over how you choose to behave, but I do accept it because I have zero control over it.

You have control over how you choose to behave.

And look what you've done with it.

Shame. Why tho. She just does her thing and minds her business.

lolife67 posted...

Then you probably shouldn't have tried to claim the reason for her receiving more hate was her fault.

The real (common sense) reason is mysoginy, sexism and racism.

Those aren't mutually exclusive, though. The latter statement certainly began from it's own insipid ways via bigotry and hatred, but she turned that up to 11 and actively opened the floodgates by actively making her weight and sexuality thereof part of her identity. So, the shitheads and racists that were there in the beginning not only are still there, but now people who just don't like the weight/weight + sexuality aspect have joined in. Ergo, you can still disagree with the hatred she gets while actively admitting that a fair share of it is a self-inflicted wound, which makes the subject of this topic ("I'm quitting music because online bullies are mean") more than a little silly.

And this isn't new. Madonna was quite the controversial figure in her heyday, and drew especially ire from the religious Right for the identity she cultivated.

She doesn't need to be twerking on stage.

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

Those aren't mutually exclusive, though. The latter statement certainly began from it's own insipid ways via bigotry and hatred, but she turned that up to 11 and actively opened the floodgates by actively making her weight and sexuality thereof part of her identity. So, the shitheads and racists that were there in the beginning not only are still there, but now people who just don't like the weight/weight + sexuality aspect have joined in. Ergo, you can still disagree with the hatred she gets while actively admitting that a fair share of it is a self-inflicted wound, which makes the subject of this topic ("I'm quitting music because online bullies are mean") more than a little silly.

And this isn't new. Madonna was quite the controversial figure in her heyday, and drew especially ire from the religious Right for the identity she cultivated.

Ah, so now you're joining in with the idea that she should've just taken the abuse and been quiet lol gotta find a way to victim blame, I guess?

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

Those aren't mutually exclusive, though. The latter statement certainly began from it's own insipid ways via bigotry and hatred, but she turned that up to 11 and actively opened the floodgates by actively making her weight and sexuality thereof part of her identity. So, the shitheads and racists that were there in the beginning not only are still there, but now people who just don't like the weight/weight + sexuality aspect have joined in. Ergo, you can still disagree with the hatred she gets while actively admitting that a fair share of it is a self-inflicted wound, which makes the subject of this topic ("I'm quitting music because online bullies are mean") more than a little silly.

And this isn't new. Madonna was quite the controversial figure in her heyday, and drew especially ire from the religious Right for the identity she cultivated.

Youve now moved on to well really its her fault because she wasnt properly ashamed. A persons body is part of their identity whether its embraced or not.

Do you really believe that an overweight person is bringing abuse on themselves for not being ashamed and acting like they arent a sexual being because of their weight?

TonyKojima posted...

She doesn't need to be twerking on stage.

Nobody needs to do anything on a stage, but she wants to. How does that affect you? I presume you aren't even listening to her music, you sure as shit aren't watching her in concert.

TonyKojima posted...

She doesn't need to be twerking on stage.

You don't need to have an opinion on her twerking.

Yet here we are.

codey posted...

Nobody needs to do anything on a stage, but she wants to. How does that affect you? I presume you aren't even listening to her music, you sure as shit aren't watching her in concert.

It doesn't affect me, but again she invites a lot of the criticism by doing things like that. She doesn't need to make her obesity part of her stage presence and identity.