Current Events > To circumcise or not?

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Thats like trying to say removing your lips or eyelids is no big deal, its just a small piece of skin

Zikten posted...

If it was so helpful, then more men would be cut. The vast majority of men on earth are uncut. It's mostly just Americans and Jewish people who do it. And Jewish people only do it for religious reasons. Americans do it because of an idiot in like the 1800s who somehow convinced everyone it would make boys not self pleasure themselves

Do not do it unless there is a medical reason. Hygiene is easy even uncut. I can confirm as an uncut 42 year old

Also doctors push for circumcision because they sell the foreskins to beauty product companies

It's not just Jews or Americans who circumcise their penises. Muslims also do it as well, and there are more Muslims on Earth than there are Jews or Americans.

wackyteen posted...

I'm not even sure its religious reasoning for Americans nowadays. <_<

It's just the norm, now.

The rate of it is going down in u.s. right?

Unless it's for religious reasons, I'd advise against it.

CSCA33 posted...

Thats like trying to say removing your lips or eyelids is no big deal, its just a small piece of skin

Making bad comparisons don't help a point.

Your eye lids going away is actually a bad thing. It's not comparable to foreskin based on the arbitrary similarity of it being a piece of skin....

LightningThief posted...

Making bad comparisons don't help a point.

Your eye lids going away is actually a bad thing. It's not comparable to foreskin based on the arbitrary similarity of it being a piece of skin....

That was in response to scardude.

Removing foreskin from a baby unnecessarily is also a bad thing, btw.

What exactly are the adult complications of having foreskin?

Youd think Europe was having an epidemic of mens uncut penises falling off the way people in America talk about the obvious medical benefit of this procedure

boomgetchopped3 posted...

They kind of made it seem like a non choice at the hospital. The nurse was just like we have to take him for circumcision, I assume were doing that right? Im circumcised so I just went along with it. I do question it in hindsight tho.

That's not the case for our hospital network. We're told we have to sign documents and determine if we want to or not before the baby is born. We apparently can't change our minds after the baby is born (but can change our minds during labor); if we signed that we're not doing it, but changed our mind after the baby is born, we have to do it out-patient and not part of the OBGYN (but not vice versa; i.e., if we signed we're going to do it, but changed our mind after the baby is born, they'll have us sign to override our previous decision). Not sure why they do it this way...

emblem-man posted...

What exactly are the adult complications of having foreskin?

I addressed this in the OP:
IdiotMachine posted...

they point out that having a foreskin could lead to problems with retraction due to improper "un-fusing" of the foreskin with the gland or the foreskin being too tight, infections due to poor hygiene, and higher STD rates.

But as I later noted, I have no concept of the likelihood of the probability of any of these. My judgement says it's not likely, because the younger OBGYNs told us that it's mostly done for religious or societal reasons, and not medical reasons.

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solid_snake_48 posted...

The rate of it is going down in u.s. right?

Yeah. Its 55% now. In the 70s and 80s, it was about 80%.

To smeg or not to smeg. That is the question.

There is no medical justification for it, meanwhile we have demonstrable harm from genital mutilation and removing a significant amount of sensation from that area. Its physically damaging and can be psychologically damaging as well. Not to mention the issue of consent.

Its not reasonable to perform such a procedure as a preventative measure. If you do this, its essentially because you want your kids penis to look a certain way.

As a Euro I can only say you people are batshit insane and future generations will be shocked at people cutting up baby dicks for anything other than medical necessity. Vile and sickening.

IdiotMachine posted...

I addressed this in the OP:

But as I later noted, I have no concept of the likelihood of the probability of any of these. My judgement says it's not likely, because the younger OBGYNs told us that it's mostly done for religious or societal reasons, and not medical reasons.

Because it really is for religious or societal reasons. The benefits are negligible. I'm 34 and uncut and have had no issues at all. I was born with jaundice and couldn't have it done and I'm super happy my mom didn't take me back to get it done. Your son may or may not have issues but I still say let him make that decision. There is really not much harm in waiting.

The skin of the glans will also keratinize, reducing sensation of that area beyond the loss of the foreskin nerves.

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kage_53 posted...

Yeah. Its 55% now. In the 70s and 80s, it was about 80%.

why would it be going down though? less people are religious or what?

Should you mutilate the genitals of your child without the consent of said child purely for cosmetic reasons while seemingly being unaware of the negative effects of said procedure?

No. You should never perform cosmetic surgery on someone who is literally unable to consent to it.

i like how dudes will complain about a girl getting lip fillers or juvederm because they dont like cosmetic surgery but tell you to cut part of your kids dick off because they think cut dicks look better lol

GranTurismo posted...

why would it be going down though? less people are religious or what?

Because more and more people are seeing it as cosmetic and not medically necessary. It shouldn't be done if there isn't a medical necessity. Those necessities happen but not as frequently as some people think they do.

First, don't ask a video game website forum for advise on anything. That's all I have. Go seek real sources on the topic.

IdiotMachine posted...

Given that, I feel like doing it is a no-brainer, since complications with a foreskin later on in-life is a thing.

There are so many things wrong with this statement....

masterbarf posted...

First, don't ask a video game website forum for advise on anything. That's all I have. Go seek real sources on the topic.

Their mind was made up before they even created this topic, so it doesn't really matter anyway.

Genital mutilation is wrong and most of the world knows this. Americans are fucked up for continuing this horrific & barbaric practice.

GunmaN1905 posted...

You got to be trolling.
Damn, some of you are completely brainwashed on this matter.

... My lived experience is me being brainwashed? Sounds like you are a very emotional person and do not use logic.

CSCA33 posted...

Thats like trying to say removing your lips or eyelids is no big deal, its just a small piece of skin

Imagine being so deranged that you would compare circumcision to removing lips or eyelids. People's brains are broken on this topic as if it actually matter.

Wtf TC. Are you asking this in 2024?

The only reason circumcision has been the norm in America is because of conservative religious wackjobs who thought sexual pleasure was sinful. All the shit about hygiene benefits is just what American doctors came up with to justify the tradition. If you were European you would be considered fucking crazy for even considering getting your baby circumcised.

How much money are they making from the procedure?

Scardude posted...

... My lived experience is me being brainwashed? Sounds like you are a very emotional person and do not use logic.

you've presented yourself as an adult requiring a medically necessary circumcision
how does this run counter to the post you're replying to or any anti-circumcision stance ITT

ai123 posted...

How much money are they making from the procedure?

When my partner's cousin had a baby, they told her it would cost somewhere between $1k to 4k. Can't remember the exact number. And can't remember if it was before or after insurance. But they are making thousands per circumcision. So the reason hospitals push for it is definitely financial motivation.

Jupiter posted...

When my partner's cousin had a baby, they told her it would cost somewhere between $1k to 4k. Can't remember the exact number. And can't remember if it was before or after insurance. But they are making thousands per circumcision. So the reason hospitals push for it is definitely financial motivation.

Oh yeah, see that definitely puts a different slant on it.

ArsGoetia posted...

you've presented yourself as an adult requiring a medically necessary circumcision
how does this run counter to the post you're replying to or any anti-circumcision stance ITT

My reply was to his quote of me. I've presented what I learned during the process and was called brainwashed for it. Considering I've probably consulted with many medical professionals on this very topic. When someone uses the term brainwash. They imply cult like opinion and someone void of logic. I'm addressing that the reverse is true.

Scardude posted...

My reply was to his quote of me. I've presented what I learned during the process and was called brainwashed for it. Considering I've probably consulted with many medical professionals on this very topic. When someone uses the term brainwash. They imply cult like opinion and someone void of logic. I'm addressing that the reverse is true.

implying that the skin on your reproductive organs is not a "major organ" is disingenuous as fuck lol

ArsGoetia posted...

implying that the skin on your reproductive organs is not a "major organ" is disingenuous as fuck lol

There we go. More emotional beings about the procedures. Thank you for the bias and your research is noted.

Lots of missing posts for me in this thread.

Scardude posted...

There we go. More emotional beings about the procedures. Thank you for the bias and your research is noted.

what lol
am i being trolled atm

IdiotMachine posted...

My firstborn was a girl and she had severe tongue tie. On day 3 of her life, we went to an oral surgeon to get it corrected. Once we got into the room, which looked like any pediatrician room, the oral surgeon came in and asked for final approval. Once we approved, he took her, turned 180, brought her over to an examination table, opened a brand new knife out, opened her mouth, and just cut the tie! No creams, no shots, nothing. I was thinking what the fuck just happened. Our baby didnt even wake up, didnt cry, there was no blood in her mouth, and it was all over.

I later found out for tongue tie, if you do it later than a week or so after the babys life, its a lot more involved. This experience is making me believe the OBGYNs statement that there is no pain for a brand-new newborn.

Circumcisions are not medically necessary. Its not comparable.

IdiotMachine posted...

This is exactly what I want to prevent for my baby boy, per the older OBGYNs advices

Any number of things can eventually go wrong. That doesn't mean you cut them out ahead of time for no reason. The fact that a few need to have it done later in life is not a reason to force it on children that can't consent.

Scardude posted...

There we go. More emotional beings about the procedures. Thank you for the bias and your research is noted

Dude. The foreskin is attached to the penis making it part of a major organ. What do you not get about that? Cutting it off does affect you whether you notice it or not. It's cutting of nerve endings which decrease sensitivity. Cutting it off because "it just looks better" is fucking stupid and unnecessary.

IdiotMachine posted...

This is exactly what I want to prevent for my baby boy, per the older OBGYNs advices

my 2nd youngest son had to have a massive revision in his teens at the onset of puberty because his circumcision healed incorrectly and caused him immense pain any time he got an erection, because the scar tissue was literally pulling the skin too tight
could prevent that too, but yknow

ArsGoetia posted...

my 2nd youngest son had to have a massive revision in his teens at the onset of puberty because his circumcision healed incorrectly and caused him immense pain any time he got an erection, because the scar tissue was literally pulling the skin too tight
could prevent that too, but yknow

Ouch that really sucks. Hope he's OK now. Have you noticed people always talk about complications of not being cut but we never hear anything about complications after being cut.

It says a lot when America is the only first world country and actively participates in baby circumcision, considering many of the "pro's" for circumcision can be circumvented by having easy access to water and personal hygiene. I understand it being a thing for third world countries, but I can only see it being primarily cosmetic and religious reasons in the states.

Benefits: The older OBGYNs seem to point out that there are a lot more medical benefits; they point out that having a foreskin could lead to problems with retraction due to improper "un-fusing" of the foreskin with the gland or the foreskin being too tight, infections due to poor hygiene, and higher STD rates. The younger OBGYNs seem to point out that it's largely social and visual preference. Regardless, all OBGYNs stated that if you don't do circumcision within the first few days of being born, the procedure gets significantly more complicated and will require general anaesthetic.

Some of these 'benefits' are rarer than the surgical complications. Some are addressed by basic hygiene. Some amount to cosmetic surgery.

I never really understood why non-religious, non-medical circumcision was so uniquely popular in the US. Puritans pushing an anti-masturbation agenda, and family tradition didn't quite seem adequate explanations.

Since learning hospitals can charge $1k - 4k for an simple unnecessary procedure, it's made a lot more sense.