Board 8 > Wonder Woman - 90%+ on rottentomatoes

(+) Yeah! (+)

i liked electro until he actually turned into electro. pretty sure he's not supposed to be this emo "I JUST WANT TO HAVE FRIENDS" character.
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Pretty interesting 538 article on the movie:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/three-reasons-wonder-woman-has-already-made-history/
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Just watched it as well, best movie of the DC cinematic universe for sure, but that's not a pretty high bar.
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Gonna try to see this soon if I can. I think so far Deadpool and Logan might be my top 2 superhero movies. Deadpool is definitely #1 at least. Might need to rewatch Guardians

saw this earlier today. thought it was pretty damn good, two thumbs up from me

i was actually surprised
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I really liked it but I had 2 complaints. One, at times Wonder Woman almost felt like a sidekick in her own movie. She did all the heavy lifting, but Captain Kirk set the agenda. And two, could we please have CGI'd Ares's face into something threatening once he put on his armor? They just kept the actor's regular face and voice and it didn't fit.
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MrGreenonion posted...

And two, could we please have CGI'd Ares's face into something threatening once he put on his armor? They just kept the actor's regular face and voice and it didn't fit.

This didn't bother me at all but I almost laughed out loud at the fact that he still had the mustache even in the shot of him in ancient times.
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Xiahou Shake posted...

MrGreenonion posted...

And two, could we please have CGI'd Ares's face into something threatening once he put on his armor? They just kept the actor's regular face and voice and it didn't fit.

This didn't bother me at all but I almost laughed out loud at the fact that he still had the mustache even in the shot of him in ancient times.

Some things are just timeless
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I fully disagree that Wonder Woman felt like a sidekick btw.

Kirk kind of set the Agenda in broad strokes and then Wonder Woman literally ignored him as soon as they got to the front. Like, literally. Every scene was her no selling his desires at every turn. No man's land. At the gala. At the base. He had the knowledge she lacked to lead the way a bit but yeah, I don't know how you got that impression at all.
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Literally note that I called out that Steve Trevor was going to be the problem with this movie in my first post in this topic.

He sucks.

Her serves almost no purpose except to diminish Wonder Woman. I hate him so much in every iteration.
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It's funny, because I have the exact opposite reaction. I thought he was a good character who in no way diminished Wonder Woman. I left the theater thinking she was absolutely amazing. Why did you feel that way in the movie?
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I totally get hating Steve Trevor in some iterations of the comics, but this was basically an ideal version of his character that does exactly what he was meant to in the best way. He doesn't diminish her at all unless you think someone being inspired and/or helped by someone else makes them a worse person.
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I really do feel like needing to be drawn off the islabd by a man at all hurts her character yes.
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How, though? I didn't even give it much thought as a simple plot device to inform a cut off island that there were some big happenings going on in the world. I've never read a stand alone comic of the character (her and supes never interested me much) so maybe I am missing something.
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Isn't that what happens in almost all variants of the character?

Steve Trevor is in trouble and gets to Paradise Island accidentally, Wondy saves him, she learns of trouble in the outside world (usually Ares in the end), then makes her way into the world regardless of what Steve wanted
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Eddv posted...

It doesnt help that DC has literally told the wonder woman origin story twice in the last two years and its kinda sucked both times despitr getting rave reviews.

wait, when?

@Eddv
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So with Wonder Woman, they completely threw out the New 52 stuff with Rebirth, yeah?
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Also, Wonder Woman made $98 million so far this weekend.

Captain Underpants came in second with $25 million.
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Damn, if it had done poorly I could have made a topic called "More like Blunder Woman".
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I think that's a porn expy name for her
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MajinZidane posted...

Eddv posted...

It doesnt help that DC has literally told the wonder woman origin story twice in the last two years and its kinda sucked both times despitr getting rave reviews.

wait, when?

@Eddv

In comics.

Grant Morrison just did a version of this story in Wonder Woman: Earth One and then with Rebirth they retold her Year One again.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

So with Wonder Woman, they completely threw out the New 52 stuff with Rebirth, yeah?

In Rebirth, she apparently like hallucinated most of her New 52 experiences which is a pity because thats basically the only run on the character ive ever liked.
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Steve Trevor has always sucked in the comics so I understand why Ed carries such baggage to the film.
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Wait. What.

A hallucination? What in the hell?

I'm actually having a hard time trying to figure out what in Rebirth is a retcon and what actually mattered. Like, apparently Barry Allen has only just started dating Iris in Rebirth?

I know a lot of it stuck like Batman (I think), Green Lantern, and Aquaman stayed the same, but it seems like there's just some specific things that changed and some that didn't. Because it's supposed to be a mash up of New 52 and the original earth, right?

I dunno, I can't keep up. lol
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Wait. What.

A hallucination? What in the hell?

I'm actually having a hard time trying to figure out what in Rebirth is a retcon and what actually mattered. Like, apparently Barry Allen has only just started dating Iris in Rebirth?

I know a lot of it stuck like Batman (I think), Green Lantern, and Aquaman stayed the same, but it seems like there's just some specific things that changed and some that didn't. Because it's supposed to be a mash up of New 52 and the original earth, right?

I dunno, I can't keep up. lol

Its not a mash up - honestly they probably should have just rebooted because it would be less confusing.

With Superman - due to like reality resonance, some manipulation by Ozymandias and Mr Mxylptzlk New 52 Superman and Lois have MERGED with Pre New 52 Superman and Lois and yeah its about as dumb as it sounds but all events experienced in New 52 by him actually happened.

Aquaman, Green Lantern, and all of the Batman chatacters nothing really changed.

Flash had Wally show up and Barry is dating Iris for the first time but I actually think none of it is inconsistent with what happened in New 52.

Wonder Woman decided to have Wonder Woman revealed to have hallucinated fucking damn near everything, including her new origin as the Daughter og Zeus and her costume being silver rather than gold manipulated by hera and/or The Watchmen. She and Superman alone have this sort of convoluted nonsense to deal with.
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Didn't New 52 Superman die though?

What's the deal with Wally then? Is he Wally from pre-52? Some Wally from the future? How do all the Titans know each other already?

Why does everyone act like Rebirth fixed everything and took it back to the pre-52 continuity if it didn't?

I don't get this at all.
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I've not met anyone who thinks Rebirth took everything to pre-New52 continuity. But the one true Wally West came back so who cares?
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I saw the movie last night and really enjoyed it.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

I've not met anyone who thinks Rebirth took everything to pre-New52 continuity. But the one true Wally West came back so who cares?

The way it was explained to me was that it took it back to its pre-52 roots and put both continuities together, thus bringing back things like the OG Titans being a thing, Clark and Lois being a thing again, OG Wally West coming back, Green Lantern and Black Canary being a thing again, among other things.
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Green Lantern and Black Canary being a thing again

I know this is a typo, but this is a great idea.

It just brought back some pre-52 ideas. It didn't bring back pre-52 at all.
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Didn't New 52 Superman die though?

What's the deal with Wally then? Is he Wally from pre-52? Some Wally from the future? How do all the Titans know each other already?

Why does everyone act like Rebirth fixed everything and took it back to the pre-52 continuity if it didn't?

I don't get this at all.

He did die - and then he took over the old supermans body somehow but then Jon cried and it all got "fixed" somehow. I read the story and as a big superman fan i feel compelled to share that i thought it was awful.

Wally is from Pre-New52 and seems to indicate that parts of the old world that didnt make it to New 52 were merely stuck or forcibly forgotten thanks to...the watchmen.

The big thing is a lot of Didios New 52 "rules" like no happy endings and the general sidelining of the titans and all got ended and a bunch of costume changes were made back to more "iconic" looks and this is apparently all peoplr wanted out of DC. Apparrntly what matters is that Superman is married to Lois Lane and that Wonder Woman be made of clay and not the actual quality of the writing.
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So with all this Rebirth and messing with continuity is there any hope of that Cassandra Batgirl everybody tells me is awesome coming back or the Stephanie one? >_>

Awesome, can't wait to see it tomorrow.
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swordz9 posted...

So with all this Rebirth and messing with continuity is there any hope of that Cassandra Batgirl everybody tells me is awesome coming back or the Stephanie one? >_>

She is back - but not as Batgirl - in Detective Comics and has been since Rebirth started. Stephanie too. And also Clayface
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Eddv posted...

Apparrntly what matters is that Superman is married to Lois Lane and that Wonder Woman be made of clay and not the actual quality of the writing.

There are the same number of well-written titles as always.
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Maybe I should try getting back into comics.
It felt kinda overwhelming trying to follow basically everything since I like a ton of characters. I think I got like 12-15 volumes through New 52 for most stuff before it just felt like too much to keep up with and do other hobbies.

scarletspeed7 posted...

Eddv posted...

Apparrntly what matters is that Superman is married to Lois Lane and that Wonder Woman be made of clay and not the actual quality of the writing.

There are the same number of well-written titles as always.

Yeah but their reputation is significantly better.
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So I read someone who described Wonder Woman as it being like a movie written by Wonder Woman herself and that just makes me look forward to this movie more.

Sadly, I'll have to wait for DVD release due to not being able to leave the house for that long of a time.
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Just saw the movie. I liked it
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I absolutely loved this movie. It brought me so much joy to have a superhero just be a super hero, especially on the DC side. The No Man Land's scene is the best and gave me some pretty intense feelings of happiness. I'm so happy from this movie. Make the rest of the DC movies like this, please. For the love of god.
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Make the rest of the DC movies like this, please.

Next is Justice League by Snyder.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Make the rest of the DC movies like this, please.

Next is Justice League by Snyder.

And edited by Joss Whedon!

Besides, it's not like Snyder wasn't involved in Wonder Woman. He just wasn't Director.
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SupremeZero posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Make the rest of the DC movies like this, please.

Next is Justice League by Snyder.

And edited by Joss Whedon!

Besides, it's not like Snyder wasn't involved in Wonder Woman. He just wasn't Director.

It was already deep into post-production. I mean, if this was Suicide Squad with 300 hours of footage being edited by a trailer company, that would mean something, but this is much more like Wonder Woman, with very little extra footage with which to work.

And there's a huge difference between being involved and being the boss.
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That was awesome. Had a few minor visual quibbles like Ares still looking like generic British moustache guy even after suiting up but I really liked it overall.

No Man's Land scene was the best part.
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Joss Whedom coming on board in 2017 is a BAD thing. He's over as fuck.
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LapisLazuli posted...

Joss Whedom coming on board in 2017 is a BAD thing. He's over as fuck.

Yeah, he IS over as fuck. What with the movies he's directed recently making a shit ton of money.
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At the very least, Joss Whedon knows how to tell a meaningful and cohesive story much better than Zach Snyder. And that will help for post-production directing.
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Thought WW was good. Lol at Ultron being the best MCU villain earlier ITT. Loki, and honestly the very recent Ego might be up there. Most like Guardians 1 more than 2, but 2 had a way better villain, and one of the best in all the MCU at this point.

Anyway, WW was good. A bit overhyped imo, maybe a solid 8/10, or 7.5. Gadot was good, I liked her in Fast 4/5/6, as much as people dont really want to admit those are entertaining films. Pine was ok, had good moments and had some "uh oks". By far the best from DC in their universe, like not even close.
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Ego's master plan was awful. There were absolutely no stakes to it. For me, that hurts Ego. Furthermore, this system of making characters villains of the week with no staying power is turning me off to Marvel movies. At some point, these villains need to stick around, develop, evolve in response to their battles with the heroes. Stop killing characters off for no reason.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Ego's master plan was awful. There were absolutely no stakes to it. For me, that hurts Ego. Furthermore, this system of making characters villains of the week with no staying power is turning me off to Marvel movies. At some point, these villains need to stick around, develop, evolve in response to their battles with the heroes. Stop killing characters off for no reason.

You say, while acting as if killing people in comics has ever mattered.
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SupremeZero posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

Ego's master plan was awful. There were absolutely no stakes to it. For me, that hurts Ego. Furthermore, this system of making characters villains of the week with no staying power is turning me off to Marvel movies. At some point, these villains need to stick around, develop, evolve in response to their battles with the heroes. Stop killing characters off for no reason.

You say, while acting as if killing people in comics has ever mattered.

Yeah, because there's hundreds of issues.

How does that apply to the movies at all?
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