Board 8 > Freedom, Liberty, Ron Paul - Reject the politics of healthy eating [dwmf]

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foolm0r0n posted...

including the American who was somehow a good guy despite doing literally only bad things the entire movie.

wut
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The CIA guy
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foolm0r0n posted...

The CIA guy

How does he do only bad things, though? If anything, it's almost a plot hole how goodie two shoes he is.

He is part of the group that captures the early big bad, and interrogates him, then when things go south, takes a bullet for the main character.

Then, as a director of the CIA he finds himself in Wakanda sitting on tons of vibranium, and he...never once tries to radio home to the United States to say "yo, they have tons of Vibranium, we should overthrow their government and take it." Then he decides that he should start feeding American intel to the main characters to help stop the bad guy.

Like, it's weird to me that he doesn't do anything bad; I was suspicious of him the whole movie, but he kept acting selfless and not being a spy.
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The themes had about as much nuance as a Marvel movie can have, but it was still pretty interesting with hyper-isolationism vs hyper-interventionism. Nothing controversial or risky in there at all though. The follies of traditionalism/nationalism was shown, but also traditionalism had a big part in the victory, and all the good guys remained deeply nationalist.

Uh, duh. Black people have always been allowed to be nationalist. Only white nationalism is bad!
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SmartMuffin posted...

Only white nationalism is bad!

lol @ the idea that this is the message of hollywood movies. did you see any hollywood WWII movie ever?
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maybe the culture has changed just a tad in the last 80 years?
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i meant "movies about WII," not "movies made during WWII"
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SmartMuffin posted...

Uh, duh. Black people have always been allowed to be nationalist. Only white nationalism is bad!

Black nationalism was the villain in this movie. What I'm saying is that the good guys were also underpinned by nationalism, though with a patriotic flavor.

SmartMuffin posted...

maybe the culture has changed just a tad in the last 80 years?

Evidently not
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foolm0r0n posted...

The movie was good though. It felt way more like a Bond movie than anything, mostly spy and tech stuff with very little in-suit action except for the obligatory paint-by-number final battle.

The themes had about as much nuance as a Marvel movie can have, but it was still pretty interesting with hyper-isolationism vs hyper-interventionism. Nothing controversial or risky in there at all though. The follies of traditionalism/nationalism was shown, but also traditionalism had a big part in the victory, and all the good guys remained deeply nationalist. Also multiple good guys were strongly interventionist as individuals, including the American who was somehow a good guy despite doing literally only bad things the entire movie. It's honestly impressive how inoffensive they made the movie given how it's entirely about politics

metroid composite posted...

How does he do only bad things, though? If anything, it's almost a plot hole how goodie two shoes he is.

These were my thoughts as well. After how much of the hype was centered around it being different from typical blockbusters, I was pretty disappointed by how inoffensive and moderate the whole thing was.

It was a fun movie and all but yeah.
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metroid composite posted...

foolm0r0n posted...

The CIA guy

How does he do only bad things, though? If anything, it's almost a plot hole how goodie two shoes he is.

He is part of the group that captures the early big bad, and interrogates him, then when things go south, takes a bullet for the main character.

Then, as a director of the CIA he finds himself in Wakanda sitting on tons of vibranium, and he...never once tries to radio home to the United States to say "yo, they have tons of Vibranium, we should overthrow their government and take it." Then he decides that he should start feeding American intel to the main characters to help stop the bad guy.

Like, it's weird to me that he doesn't do anything bad; I was suspicious of him the whole movie, but he kept acting selfless and not being a spy.

He also almost sacrifices his life again at the end of the movie to keep the vibranium weapons from leaving Wakanda.
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metroid composite posted...

How does he do only bad things, though?

He's the one buying the illegal vibranium. He screws up the capturing of Klaue because he doesn't trust Tchalla. Yes he takes a bullet but that was cheesy as hell and had NO CONSEQUENCE. In fact, it granted him secret access to Wakanda and all its resources and weapons. Like he (America) is obligated to a people's entire wealth and culture just because he was nice one time.

Then he kills a bunch of Wakandans by appropriating their weapons and even their salute (but it's okay because they asked him to! praise the CIA!!). Which wasn't even necessary because Tchalla was going to reveal Wakanda to the world anyways because a GOD DAMN CIA AGENT SAW EVERYTHING and was obviously going to leak it eventually.

The appropriation thing is a joke but it's kinda interesting though because it shows in what cases it is okay for an outsider to appropriate a culture, which is when specifically instructed to do - basically an analogue to the n word, etc. But it's also used specifically to kill people so yeah, the messages are mixed.
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redrocket_pub posted...

He also almost sacrifices his life again at the end of the movie to keep the vibranium weapons from leaving Wakanda.

An unparalleled thirst for foreigner blood
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Are you being serious now or not? I'm debating whether to make a serious response.
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Mostly. Of course the movie tries to present his actions as honorable and selfless, but they are directly harmful and don't have any thought behind their consequences. Literally every other character's actions are informed by deep motivations, but he's just a stooge that breaks things while hiding behind ignorance-based "neutrality". It's pure American quick-draw interventionism.
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/rex-eat-the-saladinside-the-awkward-relationship-between-rex-tillerson-and-donald-trump-1520961762

"Eat the salad" is the new "I drink your milkshake"
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http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/14/technology/theranos-fraud-scandal/index.html

man remember when this chick was an absolute media darling?

lol @ all of it being a giant scam
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Never heard of her before but she fits the bill for weird media masturbation
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Seriously? She was all over the news everywhere for like a 4-6 month period when everyone believed her company was real and was super desperate for a young, hip, female CEO to drool over.
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I know Marissa Meyer and Elizabeth Stark...
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SmartMuffin posted...

http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/14/technology/theranos-fraud-scandal/index.html

man remember when this chick was an absolute media darling?

lol @ all of it being a giant scam

I've literally never heard of this person before.
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https://www.facebook.com/libertarians/posts/10156161247307726

The LP is highly in favor of well coordinated leftist protests by children to demand gun control.
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yeah that is a really weird post
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGJ5cZnoodY" data-time="

Lots of really interesting economical mechanics here
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speaking of "media darlings that are probably frauds"

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/14/tesla-manufacturing-high-volume-of-flawed-parts-employees.html
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A car company with manufacturing issues? That's almost as bad as when only 2/3rds of his triple-rocket to Mars landed properly. Very incompetent.
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http://michiganradio.org/post/us-senate-candidate-wants-buy-guns-homeless-people

I think I might vote for this guy
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Didn't I already post that?
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Oh then whoops my bad

I just heard about it on the news
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Obviously this is anecdotal, but literally all the media coverage I've ever seen of Tesla is negative.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/15/us/morgan-roof-dylann-roof.html

would smash
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she looks a solid 10

years old
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http://wapo.st/2IsupTa

If you guys think American or European nationalists/fascists are bad, you should see what some of my cousins in Brazil post on FB. The politics there is crazy. Their history is like a much more extreme version of the US, so it makes sense. But it's still pretty weird to see as both a reflection and a juxtaposition of our politics.
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SAO PAULO, Brazil The military dictatorship that ruled Brazil four decades ago maintained law and order through systematic brutality. Nearly 500 people were killed or simply disappeared. But at a political rally outside Sao Paulo last week, the air was thick with nostalgia for that era of terror.

I mean Americans love Lincoln so it's basically the same
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also xfd @ "nearly 500"

Commie dictators refer to those as "rookie numbers"
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Yeah that's a weird number that is totally skewed
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http://reason.com/blog/2018/03/16/hooker-sign-must-go-says-ma-lawmaker
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If that isn't the ultimate in futile, fainting-couch feminism, I'm not sure what is.

how about the article you just wrote
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DuBois also complained that she had heard teen boys joke with teen girls that they were "general hookers" while using the door.

...she must not deal with children often
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You mean it's not possible to use legislation to eliminate 100% of crude jokes made by teenage boys?
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It is if the punishment is washing their tongues with tide soap
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hey foolmo can I commission you to create a WRPG that actually has a reasonable difficulty curve?

why is this so impossible for anyone to get right?
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First they came for the racist jokes

but I did not speak up, because I'm not a racist

Then they came for the sexist jokes

still I did not speak up since I am not a sexist

then they came for the infantile jokes

but my sense of humor is much more refined than that

When they came for the tide pod memes, no one was left to speak up for me
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As long as they don't come for the shitty jokes that no one else gets they can go for whoever they want
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/meet-the-man-whos-spent-70-000-playing-a-mobile-game-1521107255

aspirational for SephG
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SmartMuffin posted...

hey foolmo can I commission you to create a WRPG that actually has a reasonable difficulty curve?

Sure I just need literally 100 million dollars

The problem is WRPGs are inherently unbalanceable due to being targeted at a crazy broad audience. You have people who just want the story, people who just care about RPG and combat, and you have people who like combat but then the instant it gets boring wants to ditch all that crap and just experience the story (me), and everyone in between.

You can't have discrete difficulty modes to support all playstyles, so it has to be in-game dynamic. RPGs usually do that with leveling, letting you stay underleveled for a challenge or overleveled for an easier time. But that's contradictory because people who want a challenge end up fighting less, while people who don't want to worry about fighting have to grind a lot.

You could have a bunch of content that is either combat-focused, or story-focused, but then you're splitting content in a weird way. There could be a really awesome boss with a cool story that I want to fight, but if I didn't play in a certain combat-centric way, I wouldn't be able to experience it (WoW was the worst at this which is why they added a thing to let you to experience raids much easier)

I think the best way is to give massive and unique combat rewards for non-combat gameplay. Questing and talking to people and exploring the world and such. This allows non-combat players to plow through combat when it's necessary without wasting their time, and also provides a way for combat players to be more interested in certain story content that they wouldn't care about otherwise.

Xenoblade does that pretty well while still maintaining the core RPG leveling system. It also sneakily introduces a lot of non-RPG difficulty, which provides a non-grinding way to get better at the game. Games like Mass effect 2 do this by using FPS mechanical skill to determine difficulty, but Xenoblade integrates its mechanics way better into traditional RPG gameplay. This is still difficulty to balance though, and Xenoblade ends up having some stat-gate bosses. But it's still probably the best example, especially towards the end where bosses are far more skill-based instead of stat-based (like FFX but more extreme).

Those are JRPG examples, but the concept is similar. Dark Souls is a good WRPG example too. Tons of ways to get an advantage by doing story stuff, but you can also just grind a bunch, AND you can also get gud at the mechanics. It's self-balancing on multiple playstyle axes, not just the 1 combat-focused axis. For example, you can do this one quest to get a +5 lightning spear, OR you can grind 30000 souls to upgrade a spear to +5 lightning. Same result with a totally different gameplay path.
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Uh, that's not the problem I'm talking about at all. The problem is that most WRPGs are moderately challenging to downright difficult at the start of the game, and then pushover easy beyond belief at the end. Most games have a moment where you basically flip a switch from "kinda challenging" to "joke" almost instantly.
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That's what I'm talking about. The way you play makes you surpass the difficulty curve at a certain point. Other people find it too easy since the beginning, or challenging through the end.

The solution to that is to have non-RPG difficulty like I said, so even if you're past the curve in terms of stats/equipment, there can still be some form of challenge that you still enjoy. Or just have really hard optional content, but again that is unfairly limiting non-combat players from seeing cool stuff.

If you're asking why WRPGs don't have any more interesting form of difficulty than just stats, it's because RPG purists would get mad. So there's another contradiction that you have to deal with (Xenoblade handles it well like I said).
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TentacooI posted...

DuBois also complained that she had heard teen boys joke with teen girls that they were "general hookers" while using the door.

...she must not deal with children often

Maybe they meant it in the carnie sense
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More reasonable request: Can you work for Valve and program something into Steam that remembers I'm fucking over 18?

They remember my credit card info for 5 years, but I have to enter my birthday 10 times a fucking day just to watch trailers that are rated T.
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I hate that shit so much

I know why it happens but it's still so dumb
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