Board 8 > Freedom, Liberty, Ron Paul - Reject the politics of healthy eating [dwmf]

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Muffin, did you see that theres a new alternative football league just announced that is launching a year earlier than the XFL and already has some distribution deals? By the guy who made the XFL 30 For 30 and got Vince interested in relaunching his league no less.

I smell a football Invasion angle
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Honestly, "sports entertainment" style football probably does have a market. 90% of the coverage of regular football is already obsessed with star personalities, rivalries, etc.

Surely Vince's sitcom writers could write a better and more believable underdog story than Nick Foles winning a super bowl!
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Oh wow, there will be no onside kicks

Instead, if you want to do so after a score, you can just keep possession but the ball will be on your own 35-yard-line and it will be 4th-and-10

Thats innovative!
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Jakyl25 posted...

Oh wow, there will be no onside kicks

Instead, if you want to do so after a score, you can just keep possession but the ball will be on your own 35-yard-line and it will be 4th-and-10

Thats innovative!

huh, I definitely like that

basically set-up like an onside kick, but the play that decides it is far more relevant to actual football, less luck based, and probably slightly more likely to succeed
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I would say definitely more likely to succeed

I bet 3rd/4th and 10 conversions are far more successful than onside kicks generally
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A weird rule that I've always wanted is something like "If you go for it on 4th down and don't get it, the opponent takes over 15 yards downfield from where your play was run."

Basically just mindless encouragement for more 4th down conversions, and to eliminate the "preposterous punts" we see from cowardly coaches who punt on 4th and 1 from the opponents 45.
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Also no Extra Points in this league. Mandatory 2Pt Conversion tries
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Jakyl25 posted...

Also no Extra Points in this league. Mandatory 2Pt Conversion tries

definitely in favor of that

the whole 35-yard extra point thing was the absolute WORST form of compromise

what are they doing with kick-offs?
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No kickoffs at all.

You just get the ball at the 25 (unless the scoring team wants to do that onside kick replacement)
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Jakyl25 posted...

No kickoffs at all.

You just get the ball at the 25 (unless the scoring team wants to do that onside kick replacement)

I'm fine with this, I guess. Certainly better than the NFL's waste of time with touchbacks though.
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No TV timeouts, supposedly. Commercials only between quarters, when a team uses a timeout, and the 2-minute warnings
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http://reason.com/blog/2018/03/20/count-dankula-meechan-hate-speech-nazi

this is what "free speech" looks like in Europe

As Reason's Christian Britscghi reported earlier, Meechan claimed his sole intention was to troll his girlfriend, who was "always ranting and raving about how cute and adorable her wee dog is."

"And so I thought I would turn him into the least cute thing I could think of, which is a Nazi," said Meechan. "I'm not a racist by the way, I just really wanted to piss her off."

The hero we deserve.
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man what a badass
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

man what a badass

The fact that he's not is the entire point.

They pass laws that are sold as "this will stop Nazis from murdering people" but really all it stops is regular dudes from making 100% harmless youtube videos.
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my entire point is that he's not a hero. he's just some asshole who makes dumb youtube videos.
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SmartMuffin posted...

really all it stops is regular dudes from making 100% harmless youtube videos.

Still sounds like a net positive to me
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

my entire point is that he's not a hero. he's just some asshole who makes dumb youtube videos.

which is all it takes to be a hero in a society where dumb youtube videos are what the state is most concerned with preventing
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pretty sure the state is most concerned with fighting wars, not sending asshole youtubers to jail.
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also, intent kinda matters.

i might entertain the thought that he's a hero if he made the video to take a stance against his government or something, but he literally admits the only reason he made it was "I WANTED TO TROLL MY GIRLFRIEND OLOLOXD."
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SmartMuffin posted...

I'm not a racist by the way

Weird how racists always think they are self aware enough to determine that
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"i'm not a racist by the way. but i AM a nazi."
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Actually what he said was "Nazis are the worst people on Earth"
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SmartMuffin posted...

Actually what he said was "Nazis are the worst people on Earth"

Where?

But he can virtue signal all he want, it doesn't change that he uses nazism and gassing jews as a joke and thus has no empathy for a whole class of people. At best he just has no awareness of his effects, which I guess is just stupid and not racist. But that doesn't seem to be the case.
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foolm0r0n posted...

it doesn't change that he uses nazism and gassing jews as a joke

for the record, i don't necessarily have a problem with this in principle. mel brooks was joking about nazism too. sometimes artists do stuff that's offensive to certain people.

the difference is that mel brooks was making a statement, while this dude just wanted to troll his girlfriend. he's not a hero or a political artist. he's just some asshole who gets a kick out of hurting his girlfriend.
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Yeah if you are aware of the effects of your joke you can actually make a statement that has the intended effect of satire/criticism/etc

But anti-sjw edgelords absolutely hate awareness and context, they want a medal simply for vomiting words out of their mouth
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the difference is that mel brooks was making a statement, while this dude just wanted to troll his girlfriend

the "statement" of, "I want to make a lot of money"

The Producers isn't anti-Nazi in any meaningful way. It's just a clever premise and a fun movie. He picked Nazis as his target for the exact same reason this guy did, because Nazis are the thing that society thinks is the absolute worst, and that if you substitute the absolute worst thing with "something that's generally pretty bad according to most people" you lose a lot of the effect.

If instead of Nazis, the Producers had "Springtime for Genghis Khan" it wouldn't be nearly as funny. And if instead of a Nazi, the guy had the dog pretend to be a Juggalo, it wouldn't either.
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Its like this comic

https://78.media.tumblr.com/8f8d4f58e2845fe8be4369771513d4f3/tumblr_mtpjb8Pr4v1shc6bio1_1280.jpg

It's funny because it goes to outrageous extremes.
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SmartMuffin posted...

The Producers isn't anti-Nazi in any meaningful way.

nor is it trying to be. the point was that a musical comedy with hitler as the hero is one of the most offensive things you can think of, but he's obviously not anti-semitic himself. he was making a point that artists should be allowed to do this. if you think the producers is just a funny comedy with no meaning behind it you missed the point.

but my point wasn't about the producers specifically. my point was that artists sometimes make offensive nazi-related content (there's plenty of examples of this besides the producers) to make a statement, but this dude is NOT "an artist making a statement." he's just some trolling douchebag.
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but my point wasn't about the producers specifically. my point was that artists sometimes make offensive nazi-related content (there's plenty of examples of this besides the producers) to make a statement, but this dude is NOT "an artist making a statement." he's just some trolling douchebag.

that's just, like, your opinion, man

Personally I thought The Producers was vastly overrated. This dude's video probably wins in terms of funny:time ratio. He wouldn't beat Spaceballs tho, where Mel Brooks himself plays an overly-exaggerated Jewish stereotype.
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SmartMuffin posted...

that's just, like, your opinion, man

what's my opinion? that this dude is not an artist making a statement? that's not an opinion, that's a fact. if you think otherwise, i'd love to hear what the "statement" in the video is, besides "my girlfriend is so annoying she talks about her dog too much."

Personally I thought The Producers was vastly overrated. This dude's video probably wins in terms of funny:time ratio.

that's fine. i'm not saying "the producers is the funniest movie ever and you should love it," i'm saying "there's more to the producers than just a funny movie (in a historical context)."
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I didn't see any big societal statement in The Producers about artistic integrity. It was just a comedy, that's all. As is this guy's dog video. The notion that one is super offensive and the other is valuable art is absurd to me. They're both equally artistic (not very) and equally offensive (not very).
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Spaceballs > Producers? Youre a madman!
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Robin Hood: Men In Tights above all tho
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SmartMuffin posted...

And if instead of a Nazi, the guy had the dog pretend to be a Juggalo, it wouldn't either.

That would've been very funny and Juggalos would've even loved it
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SmartMuffin posted...

I didn't see any big societal statement in The Producers about artistic integrity.

just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not there.
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And just because you don't see the humor in a Nazi dog doesn't mean it's not there, either
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i never said there's no humor in the video. i'm just saying this guy is not a hero or a person who used a piece of art to make a statement.
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who used a piece of art to make a statement.

I don't think Mel Brooks did that either. Or, if he did, the statement was something like "It's okay to use Nazi references in humor" which is exactly what this guy is doing.
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SmartMuffin posted...

https://78.media.tumblr.com/8f8d4f58e2845fe8be4369771513d4f3/tumblr_mtpjb8Pr4v1shc6bio1_1280.jpg

This isn't outrageous extremes at all. It is clearly saying that all those statements are evil. Pretty basic and uncontroversial.

The dog guy wasn't condemning the nazi ideas though. All he said was that they weren't cute, but ugly. An ugly truth perhaps. This is emphasized by his "free speech" virtue-whining response. He thinks people don't like what he said because it was ugly and uncomfortable, never mind all the other comedians who use nazis in jokes without issue.
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SmartMuffin posted...

Or, if he did, the statement was something like "It's okay to use Nazi references in humor"

this was more or less his statement, yeah. more broadly, it was "artists should be allowed to make whatever kind of art they want, no matter how offensive it is."

worth noting that brooks's title for the movie was springtime for hitler, but the producers (ironically) objected.

which is exactly what this guy is doing.

that's what he was doing, but he wasn't making any sort of statement doing it.
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this was more or less his statement, yeah. more broadly, it was "artists should be allowed to make whatever kind of art they want, no matter how offensive it is."

unless we decide they're not artists but just trolls, in which case we throw them in jail
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are you seriously arguing this dude's video should be seen as an artistic project?
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yes

or at least, that it's not okay to throw someone in jail because you don't find their work to be sufficiently "artistic"
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SmartMuffin posted...

or at least, that it's not okay to throw someone in jail because you don't find their work to be sufficiently "artistic"

well, this i agree with.
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well thats basically what youre saying

mel brooks can make nazi jokes because his work is artistic

this guy should go to jail because hes "just a troll"
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that said, I'm sure if a right-wing Twitter celebrity tried to sing "Springtime for Hitler" on a London streetcorner, they'd be arrested
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SmartMuffin posted...

this guy should go to jail because hes "just a troll"

wut? i never said anything like that.

i said he's not a hero or an artistic genius, but that doesn't automatically mean i want him to be put in jail.
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Legal punishment for that is obviously stupid, but what he's saying isn't okay just because it's a joke.

In fact, this obsession edgelords have with proving every shit thing they say is legally okay due to free speech is EXACTLY the mindset that leads to jailing people for saying things you disagree with. If they truly cared for free speech, they would be able to recognize that things they say are bad and should reasonably receive non-govt punishment. But they never do. They never admit that what they are saying deserves any punishment, especially not social and private costs, simply because they are legally allowed to say it.

The implication here is naturally that anything that they think is bad to say should be illegal, because it's all based on the same exact law-based morality that they use to justify their own speech via "free speech". This is why it's 100% unsurprising nor hypocritical that anti-sjws will instantly and unashamedly turn to government or other forms of force to shut down speech they deem unacceptable. Because saying that gamers es dum is obviously wrong and deserves punishment, unlike their epic nazi memes.

The law should never EVER be used to justify morality. Any libertarian with 1/4th of a brain realizes this.
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What a shitload of complete nonsense.

We see a right-winger being thrown in jail by the left, and the best you can do is "But the REAL danger is the right banning free speech!"

And you try and lump this guy in with that even though he has never called for his political opponents to be jailed for their speech. Nor have I. Nor has any specific person that you can/will actually point to. Just vague accusations and guilt by association.
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SmartMuffin posted...

We see a right-winger being thrown in jail by the left, and the best you can do is "But the REAL danger is the right banning free speech!"

i mean, we have trump going full-on jack thompson lately. i guess you can argue he's not "the right," but...
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