Board 8 > Leonhart Analyzes the Bracket: Part 2!

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swirIdude
10/08/18 9:41:40 AM
#251:


SuperNiceDog posted...
Video games themselves have become sort of a meme at this point.


This should be the new Casual Revolution of 2007.
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ZenOfThunder
10/08/18 9:55:21 AM
#252:


gonna finish archiving this over on Traffic Jam tomorrow

anything else you want me to archive Leon?
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CaptainOfCrush
10/08/18 10:13:22 AM
#253:


Can someone please link me to the (hopefully I really hope) archived first topic? Haven't had time to look at anything yet...
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ExThaNemesis
10/08/18 10:33:32 AM
#254:


Something I just thought of, in the event of rallies.

There will be four matches going on at a time. With all the rallied votes coming in, I wonder if that will affect any of the other results?
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ZenOfThunder
10/08/18 10:39:37 AM
#255:


i originally had zidane > knuckles but then i saw monika was having a match that day so i changed it

something tells me that the people playing ddlc care more about knuckles than zidane and they would fuck up a close match

just a theory tho
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ExThaNemesis
10/08/18 10:44:09 AM
#256:


I have no idea what the DDLC fanbase would prefer there but I have Knux winning anyway.

I wish FFIX for the Switch was out already but yeah
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LeonhartFour
10/08/18 10:51:52 AM
#257:


ctesjbuvf posted...
(already explained why I don't think Smash 5 helps him much)


and I've already explained why I think it does. After he missed Smash 4, people thought he would never come back, so having him back for Ultimate was a pleasant surprise that many people are very excited for.

ctesjbuvf posted...
That bonus match was Snake's best chance ever to beat Link imo.


Nah, Draven ruined it. Link was very clearly getting anti-voted in his matches before Draven. The site was getting tired of Link winning all the time (finally). Now it's been five years since then and Link didn't win CBIX, so we'll see if that mentality still exists, but it's nice that people have finally started to realize that Link is the one who wins all the time, not FFVII. Only took ten years!
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LeonhartFour
10/08/18 10:55:09 AM
#258:


CaptainOfCrush posted...
Can someone please link me to the (hopefully I really hope) archived first topic? Haven't had time to look at anything yet...


@ZenOfThunder should have what you seek.

ExThaNemesis posted...
I have no idea what the DDLC fanbase would prefer there but I have Knux winning anyway.

I wish FFIX for the Switch was out already but yeah


Eh, I wouldn't worry too much about that. It's a specific fanbase who shouldn't clearly favor one over the other either way, I'd think. It's not like rallying Tumblr, I think, where you had to worry about how they'd affect the matches around them.

Also, I wouldn't expect the Switch ports to matter much.
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ZenOfThunder
10/08/18 11:01:45 AM
#259:


@CaptainOfCrush

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/184626-traffic-jam/76917465

Leons analysis starts around post 85
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heroicmario
10/08/18 12:45:38 PM
#260:


I feel like any excitement about Snake being back as a returning character have been totally drowned out by all the other new guys in Smash.

(Now, Young Linkthats a real comeback story!)

It cant hurt him, but I dont know how many people are making noise about him, you know? Then again, I guess the real point of any of these resurgences in popularity is driven by reigniting favoritism in a lapsed fan, giving them that extra reason to vote for Snake over someone else. Maybe it could help, but I think the cards are a bit stacked against him when you consider what has been happening with his tougher competition.

The last time one of these happened, though, I seem to recall Vivi beating Mario, so were through the looking glass on everything!
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ZenOfThunder
10/08/18 2:30:53 PM
#261:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/184626-traffic-jam/76917465?page=1

the archive has been updated

post #84 starts the Leon analysis
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LeonhartFour
10/08/18 11:56:37 PM
#262:


heroicmario posted...
I feel like any excitement about Snake being back as a returning character have been totally drowned out by all the other new guys in Smash.


who in the world is more excited about SPLATOON KIDS and ISABELLE than Snake

freaks that's who
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Lolo_Guru
10/09/18 12:01:30 AM
#263:


LeonhartFour posted...
heroicmario posted...
I feel like any excitement about Snake being back as a returning character have been totally drowned out by all the other new guys in Smash.


who in the world is more excited about SPLATOON KIDS and ISABELLE than Snake

freaks that's who

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LeonhartFour
10/09/18 1:31:01 AM
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heroicmario
10/09/18 3:00:57 AM
#265:


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ctesjbuvf
10/09/18 4:37:18 AM
#266:


LeonhartFour posted...
Nah, Draven ruined it. Link was very clearly getting anti-voted in his matches before Draven. The site was getting tired of Link winning all the time (finally). Now it's been five years since then and Link didn't win CBIX, so we'll see if that mentality still exists, but it's nice that people have finally started to realize that Link is the one who wins all the time, not FFVII. Only took ten years!


Well sure, if you count that, but I'm not convinced Link's antivotes were coming from anyone that used to vote for him the whole way through, so I doubt that would make a difference in the end.

If the match is Link vs. Snake vs. Mario/Samus, then it could've definitely happened, but I still have doubts Zelda fans would've let it happen, if the match was just somewhat close, which it probably still would be.
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ZeldaTPLink
10/09/18 6:45:53 AM
#267:


LeonhartFour posted...
vB0FjGy

never forget

never forgive


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LinkMarioSamus
10/09/18 7:18:16 AM
#268:


I changed to Chun-Li over Spyro and Bowser over Charizard.
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Leonhart4
10/09/18 9:22:57 AM
#269:


ctesjbuvf posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
Nah, Draven ruined it. Link was very clearly getting anti-voted in his matches before Draven. The site was getting tired of Link winning all the time (finally). Now it's been five years since then and Link didn't win CBIX, so we'll see if that mentality still exists, but it's nice that people have finally started to realize that Link is the one who wins all the time, not FFVII. Only took ten years!


Well sure, if you count that, but I'm not convinced Link's antivotes were coming from anyone that used to vote for him the whole way through, so I doubt that would make a difference in the end.

If the match is Link vs. Snake vs. Mario/Samus, then it could've definitely happened, but I still have doubts Zelda fans would've let it happen, if the match was just somewhat close, which it probably still would be.


It was absolutely making a difference though. Link's performances were noticeably worse in 2013. Heck, they were in 2010, too. It's just that Cloud and Seph were weakening, too.
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Wreath
10/09/18 12:47:15 PM
#270:


LeonhartFour posted...
heroicmario posted...
I feel like any excitement about Snake being back as a returning character have been totally drowned out by all the other new guys in Smash.


who in the world is more excited about SPLATOON KIDS and ISABELLE than Snake

freaks that's who


Amen
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LeonhartFour
10/09/18 10:37:23 PM
#271:


LinkMarioSamus posted...
I changed to Chun-Li over Spyro and Bowser over Charizard.


wow I can't believe you caved so easily after giving me so much unnecessary crap over it
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pjbasis
10/09/18 10:42:40 PM
#273:


I wonder if SotC actually got stronger each match and it just obscured MGS3 pulling ahead of the others.
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_SecretSquirrel
10/09/18 10:42:46 PM
#274:


LeonhartFour posted...
heroicmario posted...
I feel like any excitement about Snake being back as a returning character have been totally drowned out by all the other new guys in Smash.


who in the world is more excited about SPLATOON KIDS and ISABELLE than Snake

freaks that's who

Now, I know you aren't trashing my beloved squid kids. Besides, Callie vs. Marie would have totally won Rivalry Rumble. *citation needed*
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LeonhartFour
10/09/18 10:45:19 PM
#275:


pjbasis posted...
I wonder if SotC actually got stronger each match and it just obscured MGS3 pulling ahead of the others.


Oh, it absolutely did. The SotC MGS3 faced isn't the same as the one MGS4 and MGS2 faced. I argued that for years, in fact...!
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LeonhartFour
10/10/18 1:28:34 AM
#276:


what's the opposite of a fraud

because that would be what MGS3 is
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The_Ctes
10/10/18 5:00:21 AM
#277:


For sure, but MGS3 did also have the advantage of getting a night match.
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LinkMarioSamus
10/10/18 5:09:57 AM
#278:


LeonhartFour posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
I changed to Chun-Li over Spyro and Bowser over Charizard.


wow I can't believe you caved so easily after giving me so much unnecessary crap over it


I didn't cave "so easily", I just figured my gut picks were maybe incorrect.

All I was doing was defending my gut picks. I apologize if I gave the wrong impression.
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LinkMarioSamus
10/10/18 8:11:00 AM
#279:


Also it felt weird to pick Spyro to win Round 1 but not Crash.
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LeonhartFour
10/10/18 11:33:50 AM
#280:


The_Ctes posted...
For sure, but MGS3 did also have the advantage of getting a night match.


man this is why 12-hour matches were the worst
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LeonhartFour
10/10/18 1:13:56 PM
#281:


Last time each Noble Niner beat a Noble Niner:

Link - Cloud (2010)/Solid Snake (2013) if you want to count the bonus match
Cloud - Snake (2010)
Sephiroth - Mario (2007)
Solid Snake - Samus (2013)
Mario - Mega Man (2010)/Crono (2013) if you want to count the bonus match
Samus - Mega Man (2013)
Mega Man - Sonic (2005)
Sonic - Crono (2006)
Crono - Mario/Samus (2008)

yes that's right

Mega Man hasn't beaten a Noble Niner in 13 years

potential fraud warning...?
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Arti
10/10/18 1:18:24 PM
#282:


clearly, Mega Man 11 will give Mega Man a boost
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The_Ctes
10/10/18 2:02:18 PM
#283:


Cool list! Sephiroth beat Sonic in 2008 though.

Also on the topic of MGS3>SotC, that match pic of Big Boss facing the colossus remains of my very favorite to this day.
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LeonhartFour
10/10/18 2:17:07 PM
#284:


The_Ctes posted...
Cool list! Sephiroth beat Sonic in 2008 though.

Also on the topic of MGS3>SotC, that match pic of Big Boss facing the colossus remains of my very favorite to this day.


Oh right, he did. Kirby was the star of that match, so I forgot Sephiroth and Sonic were both in that one.

Fun Fact: Vincent, Kirby, and Auron have all beaten a Noble Niner more recently than Sonic and Mega Man.
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LinkMarioSamus
10/10/18 2:18:24 PM
#285:


Mega hasn't been given a chance at the lower echelon of the Noble Nine.
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LeonhartFour
10/10/18 2:19:57 PM
#286:


"the lower echelon" in this case is just Crono and Sonic

he's faced all the others since 2005 except for Sephiroth and Link

oh right and he lost to Crono in 2005 so it's just Sonic
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The Mana Sword
10/10/18 2:21:44 PM
#287:


Cronos win there is also under absurdly favorable circumstances. His last win prior to that was in 2005 I think?
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LeonhartFour
10/10/18 2:22:37 PM
#288:


Yeah, he won because it was literally Link/Crono/Mario/Samus

His last win that wasn't tainted by LFF was Mega Man in 2005, yeah.

which would still be slightly more recent than Mega Man's...!
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baubeta
10/10/18 2:31:44 PM
#289:


Did you save part 1 anywhere? Can you archive it?
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LeonhartFour
10/10/18 2:32:41 PM
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Ranticoot
10/10/18 2:33:12 PM
#291:


baubeta posted...
Did you save part 1 anywhere? Can you archive it?

Good ol' Zen archived the first topic here

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/184626-traffic-jam/76917465?page=1#84
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LeonhartFour
10/10/18 3:30:00 PM
#292:


actually if you just boil it down to 1-on-1 Sephiroth hasn't beaten a Noble Niner since 2005 either (of course he was pulled from the main bracket in 2005 and 2006, oh how the tables have turned) and Samus hasn't beaten one since 2006 (Snake in the finals)

no matter how you calculate it though Mega Man has the longest drought...!
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Anagram
10/10/18 3:46:20 PM
#293:


Sephiroth is in the "lower echelon" of the NN. He might be the weakest or second weakest.
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ZenOfThunder
10/10/18 3:47:27 PM
#294:


whatever happened to clinkeroth, man

rip
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LeonhartFour
10/10/18 3:48:18 PM
#295:


He wasn't "lower echelon" until 2013. Even if Mega Man had faced him in 2006, 2007, 2008, or 2010, he wouldn't have beaten him, so LMS's comment is still pointless.
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LeonhartFour
10/10/18 3:51:26 PM
#296:


#448 | HaRRicH | Posted 9/11/2013 12:31:56 PM | message detail
Mewtwo might not be as strong as Sonic and Sephiroth imply, but Mewtwo also hasn't given us a single unimpressive performance yet either. Biggest blowout of the contest, upset Vincent in shocking fashion (pic be damned), doubled Bowser despite losing to him before when handicapped with Toad, led over Draven for several hours, and now has two wins over Noble Niners. That's before considering what all else Pokemon's done to support Mewtwo being legit this contest, before or after PokeFAQs hit hard.

Mewtwo would compete with the bottom side of the Noble Nine one-on-one...thinking Sephiroth/Sonic/Crono are likely beaten.

#450 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/11/2013 12:35:01 PM | message detail
Mewtwo would flop next contest the same way Charizard flopped. We've already seen this happen.


KH 5 years ahead of the curve on this one

(come back KH I miss you)
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AxemRedRanger
10/10/18 4:09:36 PM
#297:


yeah he was cool.

someone should go find him and tell him snake could potentially get TWO chances to beat link this year
that should work!
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Big Bob
10/10/18 4:55:30 PM
#298:


Remember when Mewtwo almost lost to Midna?
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xp1337
10/10/18 5:03:20 PM
#299:


the legend of zelda can see through frauds

they have the mask of truth you see
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LeonhartFour
10/10/18 6:19:25 PM
#300:


Big Bob posted...
Remember when Mewtwo almost lost to Midna?


I certainly haven't forgotten...!

also I'm not sure KH has recovered from MGS3 > MGS1 yet
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