Board 8 > Smash Ultimate Mafia Topic 5: Or as others call it Smash Brothers for Switch

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ScareChan posted...

geno4smash4 posted...

What the f, will we really let Scare get away with a fake scan? Town has literally no reason to lie.
##Vote:Scare

Wow look at the han defense force here

Geno has definitely played with corrik before so he knows town can lie all the time

Also doop swinging on me after he trusted my scan after saying he wanted to lynch han but follow the scan and now wants to vote me lol

Yeah scum tried to kill me and they are salty as fuck

Some passive aggressive thoughts on doop and geno from scare
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Im just gonna put out there that I havent felt good about Han all game and that last minute train on Chris hasnt helped.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Pirate's definitely not scum. He had an incredibly hard time trying to fake content in his scum game, but he's been providing a constant load of honest thoughts this game.

To answer your question Pirate about why I voted Jedi - I came to like Scare's end of day and wanted to keep him alive in case his role was legit. Was it a mistake killing an inactive who ended up being town? Yeah. But I dont regret it. He was the only one with enough votes to pass Scare, and at the time my process of elimination was leaving him as a big question mark.

PLUS FREAKING CHRIS was saying he got a scum vibe from him. RIP Chris by the way. I'm very sad I lost my best buddy. But HEY, now it's your turn to fill the void, Scare. Let's do it. I'll throw my chips in

##Vote: Death

People can shush up about me sheeping also. Did you not see that I have maybe pinpointed more town this game than I ever have day 1? Okay that's a little conceited. But I do have thoughts. I have many thoughts

Again look at ben's reasoning for laying down a vote towards death. Either Ben is scumbuddies with scare or I am living in a topsy Turvey world.
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Hbthebattle posted...

Im just gonna put out there that I havent felt good about Han all game and that last minute train on Chris hasnt helped.

You could argue the Jedi lynch was a last minute train that deflected off scare and his train. Han never came on the Jedi lynch and focused his attention on Chris's attitude and sudden Jedi lynch with detailed reasoning
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Sooo.. my switch arrived yesterday. Consequently I played it a bunch and haven't done the digging through day 1 that I hoped. <_<

But if I have time at work I will be analyzing yesterday's votes in detail.

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And regarding scare, I am not inclined to believe that he would 1 for 1 in this spot, especially with no pressure to do so. I'm willing to take him at his word. And worst case it's a 1 for 1. It being Han is surprising though. I had other thoughts about Han's alignment. But if Han is sticking to his vanilla claim then believing scare seems to be the best play today.
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Pirate_Harris posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Im just gonna put out there that I havent felt good about Han all game and that last minute train on Chris hasnt helped.

You could argue the Jedi lynch was a last minute train that deflected off scare and his train. Han never came on the Jedi lynch and focused his attention on Chris's attitude and sudden Jedi lynch with detailed reasoning

You could argue that scare was the train that was deflecting from the red lynch.

Which it was.

I was surprised yesterday with the enthusiasm and speed that people abandoned the red lynch. That does not feel like a scum to scum transition.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Im just gonna put out there that I havent felt good about Han all game and that last minute train on Chris hasnt helped.

You could argue the Jedi lynch was a last minute train that deflected off scare and his train. Han never came on the Jedi lynch and focused his attention on Chris's attitude and sudden Jedi lynch with detailed reasoning

You could argue that scare was the train that was deflecting from the red lynch.

Which it was.

I was surprised yesterday with the enthusiasm and speed that people abandoned the red lynch. That does not feel like a scum to scum transition.

Then fd, what transition was it? In your opinion
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Scum to town.

Unless scare is actually lying.

And then suiciding..

To kill...

A claimed nilla?

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Yeah I'm going to give scare more credit than that.
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Hbthebattle posted...

Im just gonna put out there that I havent felt good about Han all game and that last minute train on Chris hasnt helped.

You literally haven't felt good about me because I claimed vanilla, then didnt explain it. Thats not scummy.

Anyway, I'm engaging now, so if you have questions, please ask. At this point, with Red having Shaded me and me not knowing vanillas didn't have attacks in their role names, I'm pretty much towncleared.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Scum to town.

Unless scare is actually lying.

And then suiciding..

To kill...

A claimed nilla?

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Yeah I'm going to give scare more credit than that.

I find scares mind games to be not beneficial because no one other than ben is buying it (which makes ben look bad if scare flips scum)
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Worst case scenario we lynched a vanilla today and scum tomorrow. Scare has said he's not budging his claim any further.

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Now with all that said there are 4 words that Han could say to me specifically that would change my mind. But if those words apply to him then he should know what they are. Otherwise our heading today is clear.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Worst case scenario we lynched a vanilla today and scum tomorrow. Scare has said he's not budging his claim any further.

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Now with all that said there are 4 words that Han could say to me specifically that would change my mind. But if those words apply to him then he should know what they are. Otherwise our heading today is clear.

Are you suggesting scare is actually vanilla fd?
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Pirate_Harris posted...

I find scares mind games to be not beneficial because no one other than ben is buying it (which makes ben look bad if scare flips scum)

I think you are right that Ben looks bad, but I disagree with the specifics of your analysis.

Keep in mind that scum know who among them killed Chris. But they don't know if anyone else also targeted Chris. Be it cop, detective etc. And so if someone from town gets tracked to their kill they are going to lean into that and try to capitalize on the good luck that an innocent person was tracked to their kill.

That is how I view it going down.
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Pirate_Harris posted...

Are you suggesting scare is actually vanilla fd?

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No.

Han is claimed vanilla.

If we lynch him and he's town then we lynched a vanilla.

But in doing so we gain proof positive that Scare is scum.

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I'm really not sure how I could have been any more clear.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

I find scares mind games to be not beneficial because no one other than ben is buying it (which makes ben look bad if scare flips scum)

I think you are right that Ben looks bad, but I disagree with the specifics of your analysis.

Keep in mind that scum know who among them killed Chris. But they don't know if anyone else also targeted Chris. Be it cop, detective etc. And so if someone from town gets tracked to their kill they are going to lean into that and try to capitalize on the good luck that an innocent person was tracked to their kill.

That is how I view it going down.

Thank you, Ben has been making scare out to be super town... praising him and his actions all day 1, going with scares short special on death, then flipping votes around at the last minute which costed town a mislynch. If that doesn't make ben look scum, then I shall eat my own hat...
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Scum to town.

Unless scare is actually lying.

And then suiciding..

To kill...

A claimed nilla?

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Yeah I'm going to give scare more credit than that.

FD, I was with you on Red. I was with the Scare lynch as well. Are you really going to arbitrarily believe Scare here? If I were Scum and he's telling the truth, why wouldn't I just claim an action to escape the lynch? You are literally saying you give Scare more credit than to go 1-for-1, while saying I'm trying to go 1-for-1. That's nonsensical.

Here's a hint - when I flip Town, he's going to argue that I was lying about not targeting Chris, or that there is some other explanation, like a bus driver.

I am telling you right now, it is impossible for me to have targeted Chris last night.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

Are you suggesting scare is actually vanilla fd?

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No.

Han is claimed vanilla.

If we lynch him and he's town then we lynched a vanilla.

But in doing so we gain proof positive that Scare is scum.

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I'm really not sure how I could have been any more clear.

Ah sorry, must've misread the statement. But with that being said, I'm not down with a han lynch, nothing han has done made me think that he's scum... I have to see Unrefutable proof that han is indeed scum before I put a vote down.
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I can see Pendragon being scum

also sorry all, a bit distracted here
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I don't believe han is scum, because he made excellent points on Chris's attitude throughout day 1. Even though chris was town, I still find that those points still hold merit to understanding a town/scum chris. No scum would be this detailed towards a potential mislynch.

This is bad logic though. Especially with Han, because he's a good enough player to be able to take advantage of Chris' eccentricities.

That said, Dangan Ronpa Han wasnt one for pushing daring lynches as far as I recall. So if he is scum, its not his usual play.
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Pirate_Harris posted...

Thank you, Ben has been making scare out to be super town... praising him and his actions all day 1, going with scares short special on death, then flipping votes around at the last minute which costed town a mislynch. If that doesn't make ben look scum, then I shall eat my own hat...

Yes, it makes Ben look scum, but not scare.

And Han: if you are sticking to your nilla claim I really don't see any reason not to side with scare here.
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htaeD posted...

I can see Pendragon being scum

also sorry all, a bit distracted here

All good death...

I have three questions for you

Who is your preferred lynch target if scare gets lynched?

Do you find han has showed any scum tactics, typical of a scum han in this game?

What are your reads on ben?
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

And Han: if you are sticking to your nilla claim I really don't see any reason not to side with scare here.

Man, if you actually read the game, you would know that I had to be lying about the vanilla claim.
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Pirate_Harris posted...

Ah sorry, must've misread the statement. But with that being said, I'm not down with a han lynch, nothing han has done made me think that he's scum... I have to see Unrefutable proof that han is indeed scum before I put a vote down.

Being tracked to the kill.

While claiming to not have a night action.

Is not refutable.

So you either think scare is scum suiciding for no reason into the claimed nilla OR han is scum.

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If we lynch scare today the worst case is that we will our own Jack.

If we lynch Han today the worst case is that we kill or own vanilla.

In addition to scare being unlikely to do this kamikaze as scum, believing scare has the safer of the two downsides.
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htaeD posted...

I don't believe han is scum, because he made excellent points on Chris's attitude throughout day 1. Even though chris was town, I still find that those points still hold merit to understanding a town/scum chris. No scum would be this detailed towards a potential mislynch.

This is bad logic though. Especially with Han, because he's a good enough player to be able to take advantage of Chris' eccentricities.

That said, Dangan Ronpa Han wasnt one for pushing daring lynches as far as I recall. So if he is scum, its not his usual play.

Would trying to go for a daring lynch be in hans best interest?
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

Thank you, Ben has been making scare out to be super town... praising him and his actions all day 1, going with scares short special on death, then flipping votes around at the last minute which costed town a mislynch. If that doesn't make ben look scum, then I shall eat my own hat...

Yes, it makes Ben look scum, but not scare.

And Han: if you are sticking to your nilla claim I really don't see any reason not to side with scare here.

So if ben does flip scum, what does that make scare?
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Fd came to play. Happy to see that
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It doesn't make scare definitely anything.

And Ben isn't on the table for a lynch today so we will know Scare's alignment first anyways.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

That does not feel like a scum to scum transition.

Scare [4] - (Chris), (Ben), (LoLo), Death, (Han), (FD), Doop, Terra, Han
red13n [1] - (FD), (Chris), (Ben), (Shonen), (Han), (Lolo), (Sultan), (HB), FD, (Pirate)

Bolded are people who were on both lynches. There are 5, including yourself. Don't pretend like you don't know it wasn't Chris leading Town that led to the Scare train, because that's literally what happened.

And then Scare claimed to be power while specifically saying his role does NOT fit the existing template for Power Roles.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Man, if you actually read the game, you would know that I had to be lying about the vanilla claim.

I understand that and I have some specific thoughts about these possibilities.

But you are going to need to give us something.
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Anyways work is starting. I'll be around on breaks
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

Ah sorry, must've misread the statement. But with that being said, I'm not down with a han lynch, nothing han has done made me think that he's scum... I have to see Unrefutable proof that han is indeed scum before I put a vote down.

Being tracked to the kill.

While claiming to not have a night action.

Is not refutable.

So you either think scare is scum suiciding for no reason into the claimed nilla OR han is scum.

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If we lynch scare today the worst case is that we will our own Jack.

If we lynch Han today the worst case is that we kill or own vanilla.

In addition to scare being unlikely to do this kamikaze as scum, believing scare has the safer of the two downsides.

Let's look at what scare has done so far on day 2...

Claimed to not be roleblocked, assumed many different ways that chris was killed meaning that he either does or doesn't know what killed chris, claimed a scan on death because he felt death was iffy in his own words, then backtracked his claim onto han which would in turn try to make han look bad
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Pirate_Harris posted...

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

I find scares mind games to be not beneficial because no one other than ben is buying it (which makes ben look bad if scare flips scum)

I think you are right that Ben looks bad, but I disagree with the specifics of your analysis.

Keep in mind that scum know who among them killed Chris. But they don't know if anyone else also targeted Chris. Be it cop, detective etc. And so if someone from town gets tracked to their kill they are going to lean into that and try to capitalize on the good luck that an innocent person was tracked to their kill.

That is how I view it going down.

Thank you, Ben has been making scare out to be super town... praising him and his actions all day 1, going with scares short special on death, then flipping votes around at the last minute which costed town a mislynch. If that doesn't make ben look scum, then I shall eat my own hat...

Why do you say I praised Scare all day 1? I did not even like him at all until the very last hour or so of the day
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Man, if you actually read the game, you would know that I had to be lying about the vanilla claim.

I understand that and I have some specific thoughts about these possibilities.

But you are going to need to give us something.

You need to admit that you are literally saying that I would suicide into a Jack claim who says he has a Doc and Commute left, as Scum.

Until you admit that ridiculous notion, I don't feel that you are playing to win the game and are just being lazy.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Anyways work is starting. I'll be around on breaks

No.

Admit you're not trying. Or admit you think I'm the shittiest player in the game.
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FD's head is in the right place. Scare does not die on a hill like this as scum. Scare doesnt sacrifice himself. Plus Red would have probably voted Jedi to make sure he died had Scare been his scum buddy. Instead he didnt vote at all because it was probably town/town
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

It doesn't make scare definitely anything.

And Ben isn't on the table for a lynch today so we will know Scare's alignment first anyways.

Hmmm I will wait to see how this scare v han situation unfolds... rereading scares interactions with han previously
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Hey Harris

Remember all those times corrik fake claimed and said he would shoot people and would push you around to see what you would do

I did that to death first because I had leverage of an actual power role and in doing so confirmed to me death is town, allowed for reactions to occur, and then gave actual info. It's a 2 for 1 and then some. You need to think more critically and not what's just in front of you
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benjamin3740 posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

I find scares mind games to be not beneficial because no one other than ben is buying it (which makes ben look bad if scare flips scum)

I think you are right that Ben looks bad, but I disagree with the specifics of your analysis.

Keep in mind that scum know who among them killed Chris. But they don't know if anyone else also targeted Chris. Be it cop, detective etc. And so if someone from town gets tracked to their kill they are going to lean into that and try to capitalize on the good luck that an innocent person was tracked to their kill.

That is how I view it going down.

Thank you, Ben has been making scare out to be super town... praising him and his actions all day 1, going with scares short special on death, then flipping votes around at the last minute which costed town a mislynch. If that doesn't make ben look scum, then I shall eat my own hat...

Why do you say I praised Scare all day 1? I did not even like him at all until the very last hour or so of the day

"Oh"
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I'm not saying we have any reason to beleive Scare is telling the truth about his actions last night, but I do think there's evidence for him being town
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ScareChan posted...

Hey Harris

Remember all those times corrik fake claimed and said he would shoot people and would push you around to see what you would do

I did that to death first because I had leverage of an actual power role and in doing so confirmed to me death is town, allowed for reactions to occur, and then gave actual info. It's a 2 for 1 and then some. You need to think more critically and not what's just in front of you

Yeah but corrik was either town and tunnelling me or he was scum and kept pushing for my lynch... you remember how that went for corrik last game?
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Hey Han I saw that you said you were going to make a towncleared list. If you're town then let's work together.

TOWN

3. Doopliss_Power
4. geno4smash
6. Hbthebattle
11. Forcecful_Dragon
12. Pirate_Harris (Shad)
14. Terra-enforcer
15. TheSultanOfSlam

Here's some of the people I really like. I can go into further details on each, but for now, is there anyone you disagree with or would add?
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As for you Scare, were you worried at all that you're exposing town power and not actually uncovering scum by the tracK? This just happened in Danganronpa mafia afterall
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Pirate_Harris posted...

htaeD posted...

I can see Pendragon being scum

also sorry all, a bit distracted here

All good death...

I have three questions for you

Who is your preferred lynch target if scare gets lynched?

Do you find han has showed any scum tactics, typical of a scum han in this game?

What are your reads on ben?

curious that for the first question it doesnt matter what scare flips as
if scare is town, Han obviously and we will see whats what after..
if scare flips scum, I really dont know tbh. I need to get a wider perspective of the game first. maybe Ben because of how he acted at the end of the last day

Han hasnt shown much of his usual scumtactic. But that mostly came down to him trying to look very town yet not too town on day1 and then coasting on that fake copclaim. Its hard to compare after a while.

ben is suspicious. thats mostly gut and as of yet unclear events talking through
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And i think all of us including Chris can all still agree on one thing if we need to. That Lolo is probably scum. Han VS Scare doesn't HAVE to be resolved today
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Pirate_Harris posted...

htaeD posted...

I don't believe han is scum, because he made excellent points on Chris's attitude throughout day 1. Even though chris was town, I still find that those points still hold merit to understanding a town/scum chris. No scum would be this detailed towards a potential mislynch.

This is bad logic though. Especially with Han, because he's a good enough player to be able to take advantage of Chris' eccentricities.

That said, Dangan Ronpa Han wasnt one for pushing daring lynches as far as I recall. So if he is scum, its not his usual play.

Would trying to go for a daring lynch be in hans best interest?

Not if he expected town to actually lynch Chris. But regardless of his own alignment, it seemed he got cold feet about that near the end anyway.
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Everyone, absolutely everyone, is saying I'm suspicious. But not giving any explanations. And before you gut-scum read me, let me remind you that last time I was scum absolutely everyone was gut townreading me (then i got myself modkilled at the end of the day). So yeah I dont exactly accept anyone's gut when it comes to me!
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benjamin3740 posted...

And i think all of us including Chris can all still agree on one thing if we need to. That Lolo is probably scum. Han VS Scare doesn't HAVE to be resolved today

The last time we postponed a decision involing scare, scumscare won the game.
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*involving
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Hbthebattle posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Also, for Christ's sake, if other people don't agree with me that Pendragon is Scum, I'm gonna freak.

Im not seeing it. Mind explaining why?

Ok, so there are a lot of non-regulars in this game. You, homsar, Pendragon, Terra, Shonen, Geno. Variety of experience between you all, but the way you guys are playing points to some things.

You and homsar especially have been asking questions, and basically speaking from a position of not knowing things. You read as people who don't have more information.

Geno hasn't done much beside claim to not be a veteran out of the gate. Shonen hasn't done a whole lot as well, but was on Red.

Pendragon's posts feel very very deliberately composed. Yes, he made big lists and all, but his thought process reads as having more information than he does. Let me pull out some of his first ones...

Pendragon71037 posted...

Hey all. Apologies, but I'm gonna be gone most of the day- you'll get me back around 5:30 or so, and I'll be there for a long time.

Anyway, thoughts on the game so far.

Scare's questions:
1. I wouldn't exactly say I'm a veteran or anything, but I've played at least a dozen games over the years. Well aware of the common mafia terminology.
2. Running a game. I don't really remember a lot of specific details- the only other memory I have is like my first or second game when I was a scum and, with a big, exciting post where I actually posted Phoenix Wright music for effect, I tried to bluff the town into lynching a third party. It worked too, but it didn't matter because they had like two extra lives for some reason.
3. I'd probably have to say Mason. It's always nice for the town to have confirmation options, and to have someone you know for sure you can trust.
4. I'm a Ganondorf/Ike main (by which I mean I'm a filthy casual who plays those two a lot) but I may pick up Piranha Plant when he comes out.

As for actual happenings, let's go player by player:

Scare:
Incidentally, mild town read on this guy, if only because it's usually Town who posts these sorts of things. I think I've played like two games with him, and I remember him being, if nothing else, competent.

HtBattle or whatever:
While I agree with Ben that this guy is probably Town, it's too early for me to say "confirmed" just yet. Still, might as well roll with the assumption for now.

Forceful:
He seems to have calmed down over time as the game itself has gotten serious and less jokey. Don't think I really have any tells one way or the other on him.

Corrik:
Well, as usual, Corrik is up to shenanigans. I won't ever claim to be able to read him, like, at all, but he does seem to have chosen a weird hill to die on this time around.

Han:
Others have been saying this, and I'm inclined to agree- him posting once and dipping probably means nothing, especially as it was on the first page, where posts are especially prone to meaning nothing.

Sultan:
Null tell on him thus far, maybe like 51/49 in favor of being scum. Something about the "just woke up" excuse doesn't quite sit with me.

Shad:
I'm pretty sure this guy is Town. Town gets annoyed when someone messes with their reaction fishing. Either he's Town, or he and Corrik are scumbuddies trying to look good, and the former seems way more likely.

Reserving judgement on all others pending a re-reading of the topic, which I probably won't be able to get to this morning.

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Scum to town.

Unless scare is actually lying.

And then suiciding..

To kill...

A claimed nilla?

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Yeah I'm going to give scare more credit than that.

If I were Scum and he's telling the truth, why wouldn't I just claim an action to escape the lynch?

I am telling you right now, it is impossible for me to have targeted Chris last night.

Huh? You are going to claim an action eventually....not sure exactly what you're trying to say.
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