Board 8 > Smash Ultimate Mafia Topic 5: Or as others call it Smash Brothers for Switch

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htaeD posted...

Well masons are rarer than both those roles...

anyway I need to go for the night. Dont do anything too silly while I am gone. And make sure everyone weighs in.

Pendragon, if its too much for you. You may want to replace out. Though I hate to even suggest it.

But death, we had like 2 replacees already...
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I need to recharge my batteries because I'm starting to feel drowsy... please don't let this chat die down ben
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I'll try. And tbh Pirate I care a lot more about making sure I;m consistent when I'm scum. As town I dont care much what people think of me because I feel safe
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benjamin3740 posted...

Do you believe Scare's track claim?

Tentatively, yes, although if he changes who he said he tracked one more time, then I'm out.
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Alright, here we go.

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So this theory banks on:
1. the idea that Scum have some way of knowing I either have a night action, or them counting on me having one.
2. Scum expecting me to target Chris, having a way to force me to target Chris (or alternatively just expecting my claim to be weak enough for them to argue me to death).
3. Scare knowing that forcing two Town powers to claim on stupid hunches is really fucking dumb and that he wouldn't double down on this as Town.

So my theory is that I was role-cop'd. This is not necessary, but is more likely than Scum just expecting me to have a night action. I mean, as Ben pointed out, Scum knows I am power. After all, I knew the format for power roles (which Scare still does not follow, btw, and should be clear evidence that he is Scum). Anyway, they can either rolecop me to find out what I am, or they can just guess. They do NOT track me, as they would know that this is a lie.

1. Rolecop makes a lot of sense, especially as a Jack power. More than Commuter (btw, 100% of Commuter claims are Scum, without fail). After all, flavor cop is a popular minor power to give Scum, but it's worthless here, so why not just go the full deal and give them a rolecop?

2. The alternate role is a role where Scum can redirect somebody's action. If they redirect me, who they know is power, to Chris, then they can theoretically explain away my action when I flip with this redirector. This is less strong than the Rolecop, but it is still a possibility. Oh, and while we probably typically call this role redirector, in some versions of mafia, this role is called Drunk.

3. Uhhh I guess they could argue Bus Driver.

So Scum knows I'm power, and in these scenarios:
1. They know what kind of power role I am.
2. They redirect me to their NK target (this only makes sense if Chris was strongman'd, which is incredibly likely).
3. Don't need to prove it, since it would be argued that it was a Scum BD and thus just puts a ? around as Scare slips away from being lynched until Scum wins again.

So it is simple. After all, if they rolecopped me, then they would know I am Mega Man, Veteran Leaf Shield (Bodyguard).

Now, bodyguard is a pretty strong role. It confirms itself by dying, but Scum know it is dangerous because it can delay a power role from dying. However, it is very hard to prove a Bodyguard before death.

So Scum has some options...

1. Assume I targeted Chris (since saving Chris N1 is basically required). This might not be the smartest since I did put up a wall of evidence against Chris, but after Lolo hopped on my train, I did say that it was a HUGE doubt causer.

2. Not care who I targeted - I can't prove it anyway.

3. Redirect me to target Chris, thus proving Scare true.

4. Maybe this rolecop theory is wrong and Scare is just rolefishing. He backed off of Death since Death claimed to have info, but since I did not, he chose not to back off from me, knowing that I can't prove him wrong.

But here's the kicker:

I did not use my power last night.

I took no night action. As I said, it is impossible for me to have targeted Chris, since I went nowhere. Bus Driver couldn't have made it happen. Redirector couldn't have made it happen. And Tracker can't pretend that it happened.

Ben said he knew I was going to claim an action. Ben is an experienced player, and a host. He wouldn't assume I had a night action unless he knew I did. What he did not expect, was that I did not use it.

##Unvote: Doop
##Vote: Scare

Scare's gambit has failed, and inadvertently caught Ben as well. Who is saying I'm Town while voting me.

*Edgeworth bow*
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Pendragon71037 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Do you believe Scare's track claim?

Tentatively, yes, although if he changes who he said he tracked one more time, then I'm out.

Did you get any vibes that Han was scum at all previously/presently?
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we were already asked to "dont replace any more this game"
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I feel like I said this already, but just in case, I'll clarify- I'm not so much on this lynch because of Scare's track so much as because I think Han is Scum.
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About Han

1. Didn't you claim your power was Metal Blade already?
2. This argument is predicated on us accepting that you aren't scum. If you actually are scum, this entire thing is moot. It doesn't prove you town because it relies on you being town already, which is something I am not convinced of.
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Okay, I have to laugh a bit at that, Han, because I basically did what you just did in like my first game ever, like five years ago. Down to using the exact song. Of course, I was Scum at the time, bluffing in an attempt to redirect a lynch off of a scumbuddy and onto an SK.
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Wait, why didnt you use your power last night?

And no...I did not rolecop you. If that's your singular reason for saying I'm caught scum. Like I said I made that statement because I was saying you still had plenty of time to claim an action that explains Scare's track because you'd never claimed. So there's a misunderstanding there.

And my vote is on you because I havent decided who to put it on next
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This argument is also predicated on Scare forcing you to claim power, which did not happen. Chris needed to for his argument, and I needed to claim power to point out the flaw in his argument, but I don't recall you needing to claim in the first place. Correct me if I am wrong.
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It's okay Pen, we've all used the song. Or at least I have, as town
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For the record, I mean claiming power yesterday.
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Hbthebattle posted...

About Han

1. Didn't you claim your power was Metal Blade already?

I was lying because I thought vanillas had attacks as their role names too, and I thought my actual attack name would be thought to be a protective role and I didn't want to give that info away.

Hbthebattle posted...

2. This argument is predicated on us accepting that you aren't scum. If you actually are scum, this entire thing is moot. It doesn't prove you town because it relies on you being town already, which is something I am not convinced of.

Scare's entire argument is predicated on you accepting that he isn't Scum.
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Why;d Scare start with Death at all if his plan since the start of the day was to frame you, Han?
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Hbthebattle posted...

This argument is also predicated on Scare forcing you to claim power, which did not happen. Chris needed to for his argument, and I needed to claim power to point out the flaw in his argument, but I don't recall you needing to claim in the first place. Correct me if I am wrong.

I think you're off here. Not sure what you're even meaning with this, but I did claim yesterday, and so Scum has my claim and knows I'm power based off of that.

Speaking of you claiming power - were you roleblocked last night? I might have been, but I don't know since I didn't take my action, and it's possible Scare is just pushing me to have me claim Roleblock to explain why he wasn't.

On second thought, you don't need to claim if you had a night action or not. That's unnecessary.

benjamin3740 posted...

Wait, why didnt you use your power last night?

Why would I?
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benjamin3740 posted...

Why;d Scare start with Death at all if his plan since the start of the day was to frame you, Han?

He's done this before, and by reenacting a bad play he made as Town, those of us who were there would be more likely to believe he is Town, since it is similar to a play he's made before.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

2. This argument is predicated on us accepting that you aren't scum. If you actually are scum, this entire thing is moot. It doesn't prove you town because it relies on you being town already, which is something I am not convinced of.

Scare's entire argument is predicated on you accepting that he isn't Scum.

Sure, but his argument against you (that you're scum and not a role that would reasonably visit Chris) isn't really answered by your argument, which is mostly that he found out your role and tried to frame you for visiting Chris, despite originally campaigning against Death.
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I begged all available doctors to save Chris and now we have two who didn't. If you just assume someone else is gonna do your job for you, no one ever gets it done.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

This argument is also predicated on Scare forcing you to claim power, which did not happen. Chris needed to for his argument, and I needed to claim power to point out the flaw in his argument, but I don't recall you needing to claim in the first place. Correct me if I am wrong.

I think you're off here. Not sure what you're even meaning with this, but I did claim yesterday, and so Scum has my claim and knows I'm power based off of that.

Speaking of you claiming power - were you roleblocked last night? I might have been, but I don't know since I didn't take my action, and it's possible Scare is just pushing me to have me claim Roleblock to explain why he wasn't.

On second thought, you don't need to claim if you had a night action or not. That's unnecessary.

Why would I?

Do you receive a message for being roleblocked like in ToS? I didn't get one last night.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Why;d Scare start with Death at all if his plan since the start of the day was to frame you, Han?

He's done this before, and by reenacting a bad play he made as Town, those of us who were there would be more likely to believe he is Town, since it is similar to a play he's made before.

Yeah but you're acting like he did this expecting everyone to believe him that you're scum. Tht you were at the end of his master plan.
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benjamin3740 posted...

As for you Scare, were you worried at all that you're exposing town power and not actually uncovering scum by the tracK? This just happened in Danganronpa mafia afterall

no because why would han protect chris when he was trying to lynch him and Jedi was chris's lynch? where is a turnaround time for Han to change his opinion to protect Chris? No. He has to be the killer
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Hbthebattle posted...

Do you receive a message for being roleblocked like in ToS? I didn't get one last night.

Yes, but only if you have an action to take.

benjamin3740 posted...

I begged all available doctors to save Chris and now we have two who didn't. If you just assume someone else is gonna do your job for you, no one ever gets it done.

I'm not a Doctor. I also thought Chris was Scum at the time anyway.

Hbthebattle posted...

Sure, but his argument against you (that you're scum and not a role that would reasonably visit Chris) isn't really answered by your argument, which is mostly that he found out your role and tried to frame you for visiting Chris, despite originally campaigning against Death.

It's an explanation for his out when I flip Town. It's an explanation for why he's Scum, instead of just Town making a really bad play (that he has done before as Town, to be fair).

benjamin3740 posted...

Yeah but you're acting like he did this expecting everyone to believe him that you're scum. Tht you were at the end of his master plan.

It's the only possible explanation, aside from him just being bad Town.

Keep in mind Ben - he did not claim an attack as his role.
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The only possible way for Scare to be Town AND telling the truth is if there is killer out there who kills by possessing someone else.

I can't pretend to have paid super close attention to the Smash reveals to know all the abilities, but I don't recall there being an ability like that in any of the Newcomers.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

The only possible way for Scare to be Town AND telling the truth is if there is killer out there who kills by possessing someone else.

I can't pretend to have paid super close attention to the Smash reveals to know all the abilities, but I don't recall there being an ability like that in any of the Newcomers.

The other possibility is that you're lying to us lol
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

The only possible way for Scare to be Town AND telling the truth is if there is killer out there who kills by possessing someone else.

I can't pretend to have paid super close attention to the Smash reveals to know all the abilities, but I don't recall there being an ability like that in any of the Newcomers.

Well Mario does have Cappy now, but hes a veteran
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hombad46 posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

The only possible way for Scare to be Town AND telling the truth is if there is killer out there who kills by possessing someone else.

I can't pretend to have paid super close attention to the Smash reveals to know all the abilities, but I don't recall there being an ability like that in any of the Newcomers.

Well Mario does have Cappy now, but hes a veteran

But that's a new ability of his. With how screwed up all of the flavor talk has been, I'd only be a little bit surprised if Mario, Newcomer Cap Toss (Possessor Vigilante or whatever you'd call that) were a role. I mean, that sounds like something I'd come up with if I was a host (then again, I'm a terrible host who sometimes prioritized flavor over gamebalance, so.)
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Hbthebattle posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

The only possible way for Scare to be Town AND telling the truth is if there is killer out there who kills by possessing someone else.

I can't pretend to have paid super close attention to the Smash reveals to know all the abilities, but I don't recall there being an ability like that in any of the Newcomers.

The other possibility is that you're lying to us lol

I am not lying.

And in defense of myself, two things:

1. I did not know that vanillas did not have their role renamed to attacks.
2. Look at the way Red talked about me in the early D1. Pressed about how I was acting different, putting the spotlight on me (and he was right, I was acting different from how I have in recent games). He doesn't outright come out and say it's suspicious, and he doesn't say it's Townish either - just points it out. As we've said before, Scum often point things out and say they're weird, without giving an alignment-opinion on them. It's a way to try to put pressure onto others without pushing a Town train themselves.
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Friendly reminder that Chris never took back his 100% scumScareantee.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

The only possible way for Scare to be Town AND telling the truth is if there is killer out there who kills by possessing someone else.

I can't pretend to have paid super close attention to the Smash reveals to know all the abilities, but I don't recall there being an ability like that in any of the Newcomers.

oh my god

lmao

'scare is scum' votes me
'maybe scre is town and there is a crazy third party doing stuff I didnt go nowhere'

after han has walked his own claim back

like this is really really desperate from you Han, I expect better. Like its literally better for you to just stop posting at this point, but please continue and spew some of your team
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Doopliss_Power posted...

Friendly reminder that Chris never took back his 100% scumScareantee.

right thats why He unvoted me and said to prove my townness

doop I was sorry for calling you an idiot, but right now you are appearing dense like Harris was last night, maybe you need a nap yourself
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Ok, Scare is obviously lying. He doesn't use phrases like "oh my god" (no caps) and "lmao" seriously.

The only thing I walked back was a vanilla claim that was obviously false when I claimed to have an attack as my role (which also confirms me as Town).
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lack of caps should be more of a town tell actually after how I went caps crazy in DoD
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Ok, so I am Veteran Leaf Shield.

Chris was Veteran Falcon Punch.

Scare is claiming Veteran (not an attack).

Also, as we pointed out (not that this is a greater deal), but BotW isn't technically Hero of Time, so if eaed is accurate with his flavor, then Link should not be called that.

Also, I'd like to point out how big of a dick Scare has been being, with all the insults and everything. He's not Town, he's too frustrated to be Town.
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yes I am veteran not an attack

with three attacks

that would be even weirder if I was something like BOMB JoT with 3 other attacks

its a meta trap
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Han, why did you claim vanilla in the first place, in the first post of the first topic?
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I mean, Scare knows I latch onto certain posts and can absolutely find Scum like a Bloodhound.

For the newbies in the game - I have found on a sizable number of occasions Scum based on their very first post of the game.

Scare knows I'm good, knows I'm good at finding Scum, and he would not be making this play based on a hunch if he were Town.
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Lolo_Guru posted...

Han, why did you claim vanilla in the first place, in the first post of the first topic?

cuz I felt like it
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Lolo_Guru posted...

Han, why did you claim vanilla in the first place, in the first post of the first topic?

cuz I felt like it

because he tried to make me look like I was lieing, it didnt work like he wanted and had to change his story to try and survive the day
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ScareChan posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Lolo_Guru posted...

Han, why did you claim vanilla in the first place, in the first post of the first topic?

cuz I felt like it

because he tried to make me look like I was lieing, it didnt work like he wanted and had to change his story to try and survive the day

... are you drunk?
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For Han to be scum, he had to have made both a 300 IQ and 3 IQ play.

First, he had to have set up the Vanilla/Metal Blade ploy in advance in order to use it to call himself Town later, since he'd know both the Vanilla and power formats and wouldn't make that mistake.

Second, after setting up that brilliant natural-looking trap, he had to have been prepared to throw it all out the window on Day 2. Remember, Han correctly knew part of the formatting that hadn't been posted in topic before, and when I, an uninformed Vanilla, caught that it didn't match up, rather than get scared and check, Han was so confident that he was correct that he voted me. This game has had two claims thus far that don't quite follow the pattern laid out by the others, geno's and Scare's, and, keeping in mind that Scare is for sure Town if Han is scum, it would be astronomically stupid for scum Han to stick to his guns so strongly without even bothering to check if he's right. Town Han doesn't worry because he knows he's Town.

Both of these occurrences are highly unlikely. But both? Nah, Scare botched his claim, knows he's dead, and is trying to take out a good but lynchable Town player with him.
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... I claimed vanilla in the very first post of the game... because I was trying to make Scare look like he was lying.

4D chess, man.
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Eh, I'm still siding with scare here.

The risk/reward here greatly favors a han lynch.
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oh, right

well you said it today I forgot you had said it to start the game
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But dang it Han. I thought we had a special connection this game. You didn't say the magic words I needed to hear to save you :/
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Eh, I'm still siding with scare here.

The risk/reward here greatly favors a han lynch.

If we lynch one of them and they're Town, we lynch the other.

Thus, the only risk/reward involved is who's more likely to be scum.

Scare is far, far more likely to be scum.
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doop why are you on me again
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

But dang it Han. I thought we had a special connection this game. You didn't say the magic words I needed to hear to save you :/

FD, you're not a good enough player to have an impact on saving me.

Go back to playing Switch. It's evident that you're comfortable sitting on Red flipping Scum and you're not going to try for the rest of this game.
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ScareChan posted...

doop why are you on me again

Why are you on me?
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