Board 8 > English Literature Mafia Topic 2: The Exposition Continues

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benjamin3740
06/19/19 10:07:00 AM
#251:


5star is super town right? Sick.
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Lea3Lea
06/19/19 10:07:32 AM
#252:


benjamin3740 posted...
5star is super town right? Sick.


Why do you say that? I was just about to ask if it was common for him to do catch up walls as town
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Hbthebattle
06/19/19 10:12:45 AM
#254:


Red himself might not listen, but others definitely might. I stand by my statement that what you said there was an anti-town statement.
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Lea3Lea
06/19/19 10:13:21 AM
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Hbthebattle posted...
Red himself might not listen, but others definitely might. I stand by my statement that what you said there was an anti-town statement.


Do you consider it a pro-scum statement?
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Obellisk
06/19/19 10:15:46 AM
#257:


*raises hand*

I was led to believe that there is nothing of consequence in the remainder of topic one and from that decided to use it as reference in an iso later.
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benjamin3740
06/19/19 10:16:56 AM
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DoomTheGyarados posted...
5tarscream posted...
I get Corrik pressuring puns but when he deduced puns was town power why announce that to everyone? Why not keep that to yourself and let scum work it out for themselves. Like I dont see the benefit to town of outing what you believe is town power. Why not just let it slide when you had that thought.


Because Corrik is trying to exert flow over the game. Either way scum Corrik has no reason to make it public so he is very likely town.

Why wouldn't he make it public? In danganronpa he was scum infinite tracker and made every bit of knowledge he had public, even if that power was way too OP for town. I think he'll just throw out everything he has as both alignments
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Hbthebattle
06/19/19 10:18:19 AM
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Lea3Lea posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
Red himself might not listen, but others definitely might. I stand by my statement that what you said there was an anti-town statement.


Do you consider it a pro-scum statement?

If something is bad for town, it naturally follows that it is good for scum.
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Lea3Lea
06/19/19 10:18:23 AM
#260:


Corrik, like English Literature, must oftentimes be interpreted figuratively instead of literally
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pezloco
06/19/19 10:19:17 AM
#261:


Tom Bombadil posted...
I feel like SK!Tom is actually less likely to poke the bear than Maf!Tom >_> If Maf!Tom gets lynched it's not game over for my team.


Honestly, I'm not sure at all how you would play as SK. I have previously thought that SK you would be more likely to convince me you're town than as mafia.

DoomTheGyarados posted...
I do not.

By the way Pez, I am totally laying my usual traps. Maybe just too subtle for you.

Second follow up, How confident are you that Puns is town power because I am starting to worry.


Naturally that's possible, I'm far from perfect. Maybe I'll catch it on a reread. But even if the traps are still there your tone is different. You've said you had a year of training that affected it. And maybe that's true. But I don't have evidence of this beyond your word. So I'll stick to my own opinion for now.

What I'm getting at is that people change yes, but not in huge drastic ways. For similar reasons I'm still watching Ulti. He has an excuse for the change in his tone as do you. But the change is still there.

Is the second follow up addressed at me? Corrik is the one who's sure Puns is town power. But it's Corrik. I'm leaning town on him, but that doesn't mean we should immediately believe anything he says. I also lean town on Puns way more than Corrik though.

htaeD posted...
Also I have seen the Pez posts about the SK stuff now. And it feels like he is deliberately being obtuse to keep his logic confusing. Why is he making me read about quotients.. argh.

I cant speak for wherever he usually plays Mafia. (Was it AIM?) But are SKs more common there?


I created my own version of SK for AIM. We called it Herring SK. On AIM my screen name was RedHerring222. People used to call me red. It got confusing.

DoomTheGyarados posted...
Yes, which is why I want people to look at pez independent of the SK stuff because I think he tried to use his room mate powers FOR EVIL.


Ok that I want an explanation of. Tom and I take the roommate powers very seriously. DoomTheGyarados posted...
Which part? I just mean that pez and Tom are never wrong about the other due to an intimate friendship.

Here I say it is for evil as I think pez may have used it to hand wave Tom town


Let me see if I can grab my D1 read on Tom. I'll go looking through the old topics for it.

htaeD posted...
The overall part. But that clears it up.

It would give a scumpez an easy reason to call tom town.
And Townpez in the last game always second guessed himself, and that is a difference.


Last game and this game are different. Specifically Tom was scum last game. I played a long con on him. Everything I said about Tom after the first time I voted him should be taken with a grain of salt.
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Lea3Lea
06/19/19 10:21:29 AM
#262:


Hbthebattle posted...
Lea3Lea posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
Red himself might not listen, but others definitely might. I stand by my statement that what you said there was an anti-town statement.


Do you consider it a pro-scum statement?

If something is bad for town, it naturally follows that it is good for scum.


I'm speaking from a motivation perspective. Town screw up all the time, and that certainly benefits scum. But it wouldn't be an intentional, calculated move to benefit scum. Do you think that the benefit of maybe getting some town to not read the whole game outweighs the downside of getting flak for saying such a controversial thing?

Personally I think town is anti-town all the time, like when they refuse to claim with 9 votes, or when they don't jump on my bandwagons
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Lopen
06/19/19 10:22:54 AM
#263:


UltimaterializerX posted...
No. I believe I already said he would never skip anything.


Do you believe I thought he would listen to me?
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Hbthebattle
06/19/19 10:23:49 AM
#264:


Lea3Lea posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
Lea3Lea posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
Red himself might not listen, but others definitely might. I stand by my statement that what you said there was an anti-town statement.


Do you consider it a pro-scum statement?

If something is bad for town, it naturally follows that it is good for scum.


I'm speaking from a motivation perspective. Town screw up all the time, and that certainly benefits scum. But it wouldn't be an intentional, calculated move to benefit scum. Do you think that the benefit of maybe getting some town to not read the whole game outweighs the downside of getting flak for saying such a controversial thing?

Personally I think town is anti-town all the time, like when they refuse to claim with 9 votes, or when they don't jump on my bandwagons

I never said that Lopen was definitely scum, I'm just considering for how a scum mindset would want to limit the information Town has. Especially because the way Lopen has been playing, if confronted he could have easily said "Relax, it was just a joke" or something to that effect.
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dowolf
06/19/19 10:25:45 AM
#265:


Lea3Lea posted...
dowolf posted...
i mean all major taboo style scumtells @re silly yes; scum are the ones carefiller not to commit them


So can you expand on this with a thought on a specific player?

nope
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turbopuns3
06/19/19 10:25:58 AM
#266:


alright, yeah it's true @red13n I was more combative last night. that was real.

I tried to really lean into people's reactions to me to get reads and I let my state of mind get away from me a little bit.

probably dug harder than necessary into Chris. I kinda went beyond getting reads to just acting like a turd.

sorry Chris!

Glad to have you around, you're still probably scum though if I'm being honest!
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Lopen
06/19/19 10:26:01 AM
#267:


Hbthebattle you never answered me why you thought that Chris post was important. Could you elaborate please?
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Lopen
06/19/19 10:28:23 AM
#268:


UltimaterializerX posted...
What posts in the first 400 should we skip and not worry about since theyre so unimportant?


The majority of it is pure banter and can for the most part be skipped. I've replaced into many games and I generally skip day 1 entirely aside from the last 2 hour scramble and maybe a bit before that depending how dense the post count is in the hours before and I've had some very strong replace games. You can generally find the useful element of day 1 there, as people will dredge up and focus on the meaningful posts for you.
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5tarscream
06/19/19 10:29:10 AM
#269:


Lea3Lea posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
5star is super town right? Sick.


Why do you say that? I was just about to ask if it was common for him to do catch up walls as town


It was a result of me missing so much up to that point. I got much busier than expected at school and didnt chance to catch up during the day. As such there was more for me to get down. Though admittedly the majority of what I read was a waste a time.
I feel like Ulti and HB are trying to make a case out of nothing here. Theyre saying it was a bad move by Lopen to say skip the reading but then they both admit that neither of them expected red to skip anything. The argument of well what if somebody else does that is weak to me. If someone is too lazy to read or refuses to read themselves and form their own opinion then theyre basically useless anyway. Like, if you didnt think red would skip do you have somebody in mind that you feel wont catch up? has Anyone seen ea btw?
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pezloco
06/19/19 10:31:46 AM
#270:


pezloco posted...
Again my best explanation for that is that you're intentionally hedging. Of course because I've said that you have to keep hedging and can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.


This is what I looking for on my read on Tom from last game. There was an intentionality in his game that doesn't exist as town. Not that Tom isn't intending to do things as town, but it's not the same. After seeing him as scum last game and seeing him this game I immediately felt his normal town persona. I'm good with Tom right now.
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5tarscream
06/19/19 10:36:38 AM
#271:


Fwiw how Tom is playing now is more like how he played after pez caught him last game. The change in play is why I never believed he was town and said as much at the time. Thats also a major reason I think he is definitely town because he tried to mimic his town style after being caught last time.
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pezloco
06/19/19 10:37:49 AM
#272:


Lea3Lea posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
Lea3Lea posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
Red himself might not listen, but others definitely might. I stand by my statement that what you said there was an anti-town statement.


Do you consider it a pro-scum statement?

If something is bad for town, it naturally follows that it is good for scum.


I'm speaking from a motivation perspective. Town screw up all the time, and that certainly benefits scum. But it wouldn't be an intentional, calculated move to benefit scum. Do you think that the benefit of maybe getting some town to not read the whole game outweighs the downside of getting flak for saying such a controversial thing?

Personally I think town is anti-town all the time, like when they refuse to claim with 9 votes, or when they don't jump on my bandwagons


Lea gets it! I love this.
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5tarscream
06/19/19 10:38:03 AM
#273:


Im late to the cool kids club of announcing were leaving but better late than never. Im off to bed.
Also my phone autocorrected than to Han. Made me smile.
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Lopen
06/19/19 10:39:16 AM
#274:


Alright well I'm going to be occupied most of the day as Wednesdays I work in a location with spotty internet availability.

Death as the one person who has found my pressure of hbthebattle on why that Chris post was so important interesting, you must make him answer my question. Do not let him brush it aside! Grill him with the... you know... the grilling! The coward must lay out his reasoning for all of us to take in, not bandwagon on Ulti's!
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Hbthebattle
06/19/19 10:51:16 AM
#275:


Lopen posted...
Hbthebattle you never answered me why you thought that Chris post was important. Could you elaborate please?

It's a Chris post, and the opening Chris post at that. Chris is a strong enough town player that his thoughts are absolutely worth considering, especially early on. I've been looking more into Ben as a result.
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htaeD
06/19/19 10:51:16 AM
#276:


Will do.... Once I am off this godawful phone
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htaeD
06/19/19 10:52:04 AM
#277:


Nin freaking ja,d
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htaeD
06/19/19 10:52:32 AM
#278:


Hbthebattle posted...
Lopen posted...
Hbthebattle you never answered me why you thought that Chris post was important. Could you elaborate please?

It's a Chris post, and the opening Chris post at that. Chris is a strong enough town player that his thoughts are absolutely worth considering, especially early on. I've been looking more into Ben as a result.

And your conclusion is?
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Lea3Lea
06/19/19 10:54:22 AM
#279:


Hbthebattle posted...
Lopen posted...
Hbthebattle you never answered me why you thought that Chris post was important. Could you elaborate please?

It's a Chris post, and the opening Chris post at that. Chris is a strong enough town player that his thoughts are absolutely worth considering, especially early on. I've been looking more into Ben as a result.


But what if Chris is diabolical scum Chris, unholy scourge of empires?
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pezloco
06/19/19 10:55:19 AM
#280:


Lopen posted...
Alright well I'm going to be occupied most of the day as Wednesdays I work in a location with spotty internet availability.

Death as the one person who has found my pressure of hbthebattle on why that Chris post was so important interesting, you must make him answer my question. Do not let him brush it aside! Grill him with the... you know... the grilling! The coward must lay out his reasoning for all of us to take in, not bandwagon on Ulti's!


Can you point me to your thoughts on hbt? I don't have much of a read on him yet.
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pezloco
06/19/19 10:57:57 AM
#281:


Apparently the wife can't pickup the kids today, so I'm off to do that now.
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benjamin3740
06/19/19 11:02:24 AM
#282:


Lea3Lea posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
5star is super town right? Sick.


Why do you say that? I was just about to ask if it was common for him to do catch up walls as town

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Hbthebattle
06/19/19 11:03:20 AM
#283:


Lea3Lea posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
Lopen posted...
Hbthebattle you never answered me why you thought that Chris post was important. Could you elaborate please?

It's a Chris post, and the opening Chris post at that. Chris is a strong enough town player that his thoughts are absolutely worth considering, especially early on. I've been looking more into Ben as a result.


But what if Chris is diabolical scum Chris, unholy scourge of empires?

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Chris was subdued like this in Persona 5 and he was Town there, but Chris hasn't done anything that struck me as especially scummy yet.
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Hbthebattle
06/19/19 11:03:59 AM
#284:


htaeD posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
Lopen posted...
Hbthebattle you never answered me why you thought that Chris post was important. Could you elaborate please?

It's a Chris post, and the opening Chris post at that. Chris is a strong enough town player that his thoughts are absolutely worth considering, especially early on. I've been looking more into Ben as a result.

And your conclusion is?

I don't have a conclusion yet, I'm in the process of doing so. But it does seem like Ben might be trying to butter me up.
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TheSultanOfSlam
06/19/19 11:05:47 AM
#285:


Okay im caught up. So im not really sure if i like the train on Ben i understand the reasoning but at the same time i dont really think that from the few post ben had up to that point that i would be like yeah Ben is 100% Scum.

The train on Chris makes a little more sense to me for the reason he totally gave a very half hearted vote in Ben and ita definitely not what youd exspect from a player of chris' caliber. Also Corrik looks awful for the reason of basically killing a town power by outing him like that. Also basically confriming chris town for not a very good reason and following him like a puppy. This is not a good play for anyone exsphally someone who is usually pretty good like corrik

Puns it could really be a flip of a coin on him. The miller claim is more then likely false the flavor being the author doesnt add up to everyone including the role pm being the characters (unless thats why he is a miller he is the auther?) Its possible he is town power but also very possible he is a scum memeber hiding behind the miller name ove seen this several times exsphally from scum mvp uli a coulpe games back.

Tom ive only seen play in my wwe game but he has offered alot of fluff and jokes does he usually do that as town? I saw him do alot of that last game so idk if its just tom bein tom or him being scum and not actively looking.

Cam this game hasnt been being the cam of im going to push super hard and keep teying to find the tiniest details and twist it to a scum read like he did last time BUT he was told it wasnt a good look and could be trying harder to look better this game.

Lea and Luis are new to me any quick notes on the 2? Seems like both are veterans who came back atleast from what ive read
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dowolf
06/19/19 11:11:33 AM
#286:


wait wait why was the vote on ben halfhearted?

i dont recall it that way but like hell im doing research on phone
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Lopen
06/19/19 11:13:21 AM
#287:


Hbthebattle posted...
I don't have a conclusion yet, I'm in the process of doing so. But it does seem like Ben might be trying to butter me up.


Were there any posts you felt were notable from him other than him buttering you up?
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Lopen
06/19/19 11:14:22 AM
#288:


pezloco posted...
Can you point me to your thoughts on hbt? I don't have much of a read on him yet.


I am currently obtaining a read by investigating his justification for voting me. (Which, to be perfectly honest, I have found a bit WANTING so far)
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benjamin3740
06/19/19 11:17:00 AM
#289:


Hbthebattle posted...
htaeD posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
Lopen posted...
Hbthebattle you never answered me why you thought that Chris post was important. Could you elaborate please?

It's a Chris post, and the opening Chris post at that. Chris is a strong enough town player that his thoughts are absolutely worth considering, especially early on. I've been looking more into Ben as a result.

And your conclusion is?

I don't have a conclusion yet, I'm in the process of doing so. But it does seem like Ben might be trying to butter me up.

I used the exact same logic to confirm someone as town in the last game (whoever uses their flavor/role first to meta another person's flavor is town). So you just happened to be the lucky guy!

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Lea3Lea
06/19/19 11:22:36 AM
#290:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Okay im caught up. So im not really sure if i like the train on Ben i understand the reasoning but at the same time i dont really think that from the few post ben had up to that point that i would be like yeah Ben is 100% Scum.

The train on Chris makes a little more sense to me for the reason he totally gave a very half hearted vote in Ben and ita definitely not what youd exspect from a player of chris' caliber. Also Corrik looks awful for the reason of basically killing a town power by outing him like that. Also basically confriming chris town for not a very good reason and following him like a puppy. This is not a good play for anyone exsphally someone who is usually pretty good like corrik

Puns it could really be a flip of a coin on him. The miller claim is more then likely false the flavor being the author doesnt add up to everyone including the role pm being the characters (unless thats why he is a miller he is the auther?) Its possible he is town power but also very possible he is a scum memeber hiding behind the miller name ove seen this several times exsphally from scum mvp uli a coulpe games back.

Tom ive only seen play in my wwe game but he has offered alot of fluff and jokes does he usually do that as town? I saw him do alot of that last game so idk if its just tom bein tom or him being scum and not actively looking.

Cam this game hasnt been being the cam of im going to push super hard and keep teying to find the tiniest details and twist it to a scum read like he did last time BUT he was told it wasnt a good look and could be trying harder to look better this game.

Lea and Luis are new to me any quick notes on the 2? Seems like both are veterans who came back atleast from what ive read


Quick notes:

Luis may be scum as per above note about looking for poor town play over scum motivated play.

Lea is delightfully town-y, but you still shouldn't trust her because she's sneaky.
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htaeD
06/19/19 11:26:13 AM
#291:


benjamin3740 posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
htaeD posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
Lopen posted...
Hbthebattle you never answered me why you thought that Chris post was important. Could you elaborate please?

It's a Chris post, and the opening Chris post at that. Chris is a strong enough town player that his thoughts are absolutely worth considering, especially early on. I've been looking more into Ben as a result.

And your conclusion is?

I don't have a conclusion yet, I'm in the process of doing so. But it does seem like Ben might be trying to butter me up.

I used the exact same logic to confirm someone as town in the last game (whoever uses their flavor/role first to meta another person's flavor is town). So you just happened to be the lucky guy!

*runs butter all over you anyway*


But... you were scum then!
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Lea3Lea
06/19/19 11:26:50 AM
#292:


Ben continues his streak of bringing up good points against Ben
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TheSultanOfSlam
06/19/19 11:29:40 AM
#293:


Thanks for the quick notes lea lol
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TheSultanOfSlam
06/19/19 11:31:17 AM
#294:


Dowolf the red flags that chris presented doesnt make me think like wow chris is amazing and Ben is totally scum to me its like this is bad reasoning take it as you will ill go find it and qoute it
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benjamin3740
06/19/19 11:36:52 AM
#295:


htaeD posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
htaeD posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
Lopen posted...
Hbthebattle you never answered me why you thought that Chris post was important. Could you elaborate please?

It's a Chris post, and the opening Chris post at that. Chris is a strong enough town player that his thoughts are absolutely worth considering, especially early on. I've been looking more into Ben as a result.

And your conclusion is?

I don't have a conclusion yet, I'm in the process of doing so. But it does seem like Ben might be trying to butter me up.

I used the exact same logic to confirm someone as town in the last game (whoever uses their flavor/role first to meta another person's flavor is town). So you just happened to be the lucky guy!

*runs butter all over you anyway*


But... you were scum then!

Dude, I've been town the last TWO games. Twice now you've said I was scum in north those games. Why did you forget?
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TheSultanOfSlam
06/19/19 11:40:06 AM
#296:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
##vote: Ben

Two red flags:

1. His use of the Ben List felt a little sardonic in how over the top it was. I know as town Ben loves that list with all his heart, but as scum he kind of goes a bit silly with it like he did here.

2. In post 156 he says he was lynched for lower than expected activity but was town every time. I think charm and content is different from the activity level that was being expressed as concerning there.

I like Lea because I wasn't liking Ben to that point either.

Luis I have a lean town on because I feel like he is going to his wheelhouse that has served him well as a flavor meta maniac, not that I think that's particularly wise (role meta in terms of hosts is always a much stronger attempt to gain an advantage but he likes his fun)

Tom asked me a question. Neat. Lean scum on Corrik, lean town on Ulti. Corrik has been a bit too zany in the early game for my liking and Ulti seems relaxed in a "I am not being sneaky" sort of way.


I dont really think the "RED FLAGS" are really all that good of a tell but i could be wrong
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turbopuns3
06/19/19 11:43:08 AM
#297:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
I dont really think the "RED FLAGS" are really all that good of a tell but i could be wrong


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htaeD
06/19/19 11:43:27 AM
#298:


benjamin3740 posted...
htaeD posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
htaeD posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
Lopen posted...
Hbthebattle you never answered me why you thought that Chris post was important. Could you elaborate please?

It's a Chris post, and the opening Chris post at that. Chris is a strong enough town player that his thoughts are absolutely worth considering, especially early on. I've been looking more into Ben as a result.

And your conclusion is?

I don't have a conclusion yet, I'm in the process of doing so. But it does seem like Ben might be trying to butter me up.

I used the exact same logic to confirm someone as town in the last game (whoever uses their flavor/role first to meta another person's flavor is town). So you just happened to be the lucky guy!

*runs butter all over you anyway*


But... you were scum then!

Dude, I've been town the last TWO games. Twice now you've said I was scum in north those games. Why did you forget?


Waaait...

Thats right.
How the hell...
Is my brain just memed into saying this every time now?

Welp, guess Bens town then! Show is over.
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Lea3Lea
06/19/19 11:47:14 AM
#299:


Look at this blatant manipulation from Htaed, smh

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TheSultanOfSlam
06/19/19 11:57:55 AM
#300:


Lea3Lea posted...
Look at this blatant manipulation from Htaed, smh

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##Vote: Luis


Some more reasoning please lea?
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