Board 8 > Avengers Endgame has beaten Avatar to become the highest grossing film ever

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Lightning Strikes
07/20/19 9:01:44 PM
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https://variety.com/2019/film/box-office/avengers-endgame-box-office-record-avatar-2-1203256562/

Well it's about time. First sequel to hold the title, and also notable since it did it without getting the number one spot for either the US or overseas markets.

Finally, the record is held by a film I like for the first time since Jurassic Park.

So can anything beat this? The only maybe is the Avatar sequels and I can't see them touching the first in terms of box office.
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07/20/19 9:12:49 PM
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We won, Mr. Stark.
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AvaGames
07/20/19 10:31:54 PM
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Thank mr stark
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scarletspeed7
07/20/19 10:35:34 PM
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Hmm, still see Gone with the Wind at the top of the list. Weird.
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Mac Arrowny
07/20/19 10:57:36 PM
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scarletspeed7 posted...
Hmm, still see Gone with the Wind at the top of the list. Weird.


What do you mean, still? Gone with the Wind hasn't been #1 worldwide inflated for a long time, AFAIK. What re you seeing its total as?
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TheCodeisBosco
07/20/19 11:15:04 PM
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The "Avatar will NEVER be beaten" crowd was pretty obnoxious about this little spar. I'm glad to see the change of the guard happen for that reason alone.
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Underleveled
07/20/19 11:20:51 PM
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Lightning Strikes posted...
So can anything beat this? The only maybe is the Avatar sequels and I can't see them touching the first in terms of box office.

The Avatar sequels aren't going to come remotely close. They will break the 1 billion mark but they'll be on the low end of that.
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XIII_rocks
07/20/19 11:40:45 PM
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Nice
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XIII_rocks
07/20/19 11:47:29 PM
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Although I'm a little confused as to how this can be official yet? Last I heard it was still 5 mil behind.

Is this not just Feige commenting on the inevitability of it rather than the reality? What was the context?
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MetalmindStats
07/20/19 11:52:02 PM
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XIII_rocks posted...
Although I'm a little confused as to how this can be official yet? Last I heard it was still 5 mil behind.

It hasn't yet, but according to the article, it's $500,000 away as of today, which it will make tomorrow.
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Mythiot
07/20/19 11:57:46 PM
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Meh, it was honestly kinda nice to have a wholly original movie at number one in this age of sequels and Disney dominating the film world.
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foolm0r0n
07/21/19 12:17:15 AM
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Is it common to join 2 releases of a movie into 1 for these stats?
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JonThePenguin
07/21/19 12:18:24 AM
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foolm0r0n posted...
Is it common to join 2 releases of a movie into 1 for these stats?

Well Im pretty sure Avatar counts more than one release so...
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INCEPTlON
07/21/19 12:23:36 AM
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JonThePenguin posted...
foolm0r0n posted...
Is it common to join 2 releases of a movie into 1 for these stats?

Well Im pretty sure Avatar counts more than one release so...


It does. Its rerelease was counted in its total.
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banananor
07/21/19 12:25:02 AM
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What?

I know it kind of cheated by having 3d IMAX prices factored in, but I didn't know avatar had multiple releases
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JonThePenguin
07/21/19 12:26:37 AM
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Wikipedia
In July 2010, Cameron confirmed that there would be an extended theatrical re-release of the film on August 27, 2010, exclusively in 3D theaters and IMAX 3D.[278] Avatar: Special Edition includes an additional nine minutes of footage, all of which is CG,[279] including an extension of the sex scene[280] and various other scenes that were cut from the original theatrical film.[279] This extended re-release resulted in the film's run time approaching the current IMAX platter maximum of 170 minutes, thereby leaving less time for the end credits. Cameron stated that the nine minutes of added scenes cost more than $1 million a minute to produce and finish.[4] During its 12-week re-release, Avatar: Special Edition grossed an additional $10.74 million in North America and $22.46 million overseas for a worldwide total of $33.2 million.[5]

So it wasnt a big part of the final total but it did count.
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ZenOfThunder
07/21/19 12:27:35 AM
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avatar had an anniversary re-release or something like that

titanic also had its re-release rolled into its originally gross i believe

and don't forget that gone with the wind has been in and out of theaters constantly since its release. less frequently now but it ran on and off for like 20 years after its initial release and it gets anniversary showings every 10 years now.
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INCEPTlON
07/21/19 12:28:45 AM
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Im just glad a movie with actual cultural impact has the record.

Most people I know cant name a single character from Avatar.
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StealThisSheen
07/21/19 12:32:44 AM
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I'm pretty sure I read something about Endgame's first run beating Avatar's first run so nothing about this feels cheap
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ZenOfThunder
07/21/19 12:37:18 AM
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INCEPTlON posted...
Im just glad a movie with actual cultural impact has the record.

Most people I know cant name a single character from Avatar.


i always dunk on Neytiri and Jake Sully by name just to see people's confused looks. it's so satisfying to see how few people know the main characters of a movie supposedly everybody saw.
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Underleveled
07/21/19 12:37:33 AM
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INCEPTlON posted...
Most people I know cant name a single character from Avatar.

Jake Sulley
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ZenOfThunder
07/21/19 12:41:00 AM
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i'm baffled that James Cameron is making Avatar 2 about Jake and Neytiri's kids as if the big takeaway from Avatar is how great they are as characters and how we, the moviegoers of the world, NEED to know how their married life turns out and what their kids are like

just put in a different bunch of blue people and I guarantee you nobody would even notice you switched them, like the husband in Bewitched
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BlAcK TuRtLe
07/21/19 2:06:37 AM
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Can anyone explain to me how Avatar was the highest grossing film for so long? It was a boring movie, and the 3-D effects gave me a headache
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CoolCly
07/21/19 2:08:52 AM
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it may not have had lasting cultural impact, but it was a major cultural phenomenon at the time

i remember my hairdresser asking me if i saw Avatar. it was just a thing everyone was talking about.
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Nanis23
07/21/19 2:10:13 AM
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MetalmindStats posted...
XIII_rocks posted...
Although I'm a little confused as to how this can be official yet? Last I heard it was still 5 mil behind.

It hasn't yet, but according to the article, it's $500,000 away as of today, which it will make tomorrow.

Would be funny if those news make it so they won't reach that goal
I have friends that watched Endgame 7 times to help reach this goal. I told them it finally passed Avatar so they don't need to see it again
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Lopen
07/21/19 2:13:39 AM
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Avatar also had a really soft schedule which helped IIRC

Like I'm pretty sure it had a month+ solid of no notable competing movie
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GuessMyUserName
07/21/19 2:15:27 AM
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still never seen avatar and never really sounds like a big deal to have missed out
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MetalmindStats
07/21/19 2:26:55 AM
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Lopen posted...
Avatar also had a really soft schedule which helped IIRC

Like I'm pretty sure it had a month+ solid of no notable competing movie

Not really. https://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?yr=2009&wknd=52&p=.htm

International was a bit less competitive due to staggered rollouts, but it still wasn't all that soft.
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Lopen
07/21/19 2:32:25 AM
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Oh huh. I forgot that weekend or missed it

Like that weekend aside it was soft (Avatar + Sherlock hold top 2 for 3 or 4 weeks) but Sherlock Holmes being one week after and still not being enough to dethrone it is commendable.
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07/21/19 3:17:55 AM
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red13n
07/21/19 3:34:45 AM
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GuessMyUserName posted...
still never seen avatar and never really sounds like a big deal to have missed out


You could always just watch FernGully instead lol.

But seriously the movie is absolutely nothing special.

If anything just make sure to watch it if you are ever going to go to Disney World.
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07/21/19 4:14:40 AM
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It was kind of a big deal at the time. I remember going to see in the theater only because everyone kept saying it was really great.

It was very disappointing.
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Lightning Strikes
07/21/19 6:27:22 AM
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Avatar was a huge event because of a combination of different factors. It wasthe return of 3D, which bumped the gross up significantly, it was the return of James Cameron (who held the record already with Titanic), it was a visual spectacle you had to see with your own eyes, and it had a lot of oscar buzz. It also dominated the media for months and had a pretty great release date. On which subject, it is really impressive that Endgame beat it while coming out in summer.
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ZeldaTPLink
07/21/19 10:05:50 AM
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scarletspeed7 posted...
Hmm, still see Gone with the Wind at the top of the list. Weird.
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ZeldaTPLink
07/21/19 10:06:22 AM
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I'm a huge MCU fan, but disregarding inflation to make newer films seem more succesful than old ones is a huge heap of BS.
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ZenOfThunder
07/21/19 10:57:13 AM
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one time at work i did the math for ticket sales v box office gross and I think Gone with the Wind was seen by like 65% of all Americans alive at the time. I even took out a chunk of ticket sales assuming people were going on repeat viewings. Force Awakens was like 11% or something, which is still an accomplishment (imagine creating something that gets 1 in every 10 americans out of their house) but it isn't fucking 65%. Nothing will ever beat Gone with the Wind in terms of ticket sales.
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tyder21
07/21/19 11:07:19 AM
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Comparing movies across decades is a crapshoot anyway. "Inflation" is just one factor of so many that makes the comparison useless.

Number of movie theaters, availability of 3D/IMAX/etc tickets, exchange rates for international markets, the rise of streaming services, how fast before the movie is available for home watching, wider international releases (esp China), time movies would sit in theaters, ...

So I mean, sure, you can adjust for inflation. The overall numbers are still kinda meaningless. You just can't really know how an old movie would fare nowadays.
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tyder21
07/21/19 11:10:45 AM
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XIII_rocks posted...
Although I'm a little confused as to how this can be official yet? Last I heard it was still 5 mil behind.

I believe that Box Office Mojo's international numbers were like two weekends-ish behind.
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LinkMarioSamus
07/21/19 11:22:11 AM
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I prefer Avatar and especially Titanic to Avengers: Endgame, but then again I'm a huge fan of James Cameron.

Avatar may be clich to the point of hilarity, but there's just an energy behind the filmmaking that very very few contemporary movies even remotely match. Roger Ebert didn't give it 4 stars for nothing (not that I like the movie THAT much, but still).
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LinkMarioSamus
07/21/19 11:25:08 AM
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red13n posted...
GuessMyUserName posted...
still never seen avatar and never really sounds like a big deal to have missed out


You could always just watch FernGully instead lol.

But seriously the movie is absolutely nothing special.

If anything just make sure to watch it if you are ever going to go to Disney World.


If Avatar is nothing special I sure dread to consider what The Force Awakens is.
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07/21/19 11:33:57 AM
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Comparing movies across decades is one thing, centuries another entirely still. 80 years ago was an entirely different time for film and I feel like the thing Zen was saying about 65% of Americans can't really be approximated in any sort of meaningful way because of that.

Gone With The Wind's run was in large part due to hardly any movies of note being released back then. Like I called Avatar's schedule soft-- Gone With The Wind makes it look like the roughest competition ever. The thing had a run of literally years in theaters. You don't think there wasn't a huge amount of repeat viewings there?

I mean all the talk about Gone With The Wind being a cultural phenomenon like it was unique in this regard, that's downplaying the buzz Endgame and honestly Avatar got. They too were cultural phenomena by any reasonable definition of the word-- there was no national festival for them or whatever GWtW had but there's just a lot more going on these days. The cultural awareness was certainly similar at worst. Hard to go much anywhere without talk of the movies-- well over half the people I know have seen Endgame, the rest are at least aware it exists. People still talking about endgame several months out from release is pretty notable in a time where we get dozens of new movies a week.

Perhaps you'd say it's worth "less" to have the amount of awareness these days because information spreads so much more easily, but on the flip side there's also way more of a glut of things to generate and dissipate buzz and Endgame stands that far above it all still.
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KamikazePotato
07/21/19 11:35:09 AM
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For the record, I'm pretty sure that Avatar was in theaters for like 230+ days total. Avengers Endgame has been in for 85~.
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Lightning Strikes
07/21/19 12:10:54 PM
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I will definitely echo that comparing an inflation adjusted Gone With the Wind is pointless because of the way the medium has changed - those numbers are effectively impossible today. Pre-home video films in general shouldn't really be compared to modern films.

But yes it is now official, 2.7902 billion, beating Avatar's 2.7897. That Avatar figure has also been updated to include minor rereleases since, too. It also looks like Endgame will just cross 2.8 billion which is massive. Its US gross will also pass Wolf Warrior 2's Chinese gross tomorrow to become the second highest grossing film in a single territory.

What's also remarkable is that Endgame did this without being the highest grossing movie in any of the top ten markets (USA, China, India, Japan, UK, South Korea, France, Germany, Russia, Australia) though it did top the #11, Brazil. Avatar and Titanic both topped a majority of those. Also now the top grossing film is different for all of those except for the US and the UK, which could change with Bond 25.
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Mac Arrowny
07/21/19 12:45:09 PM
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I'm still waiting for someone to post worldwide numbers for Gone with the Wind.
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foolm0r0n
07/21/19 1:03:52 PM
#49:


Apparently Space Invaders made $3.8 bil in 1982, equivalent to $13 bil today
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Mr Lasastryke
07/21/19 1:25:37 PM
#50:


LinkMarioSamus posted...
Roger Ebert didn't give it 4 stars for nothing (not that I like the movie THAT much, but still).


ebert gave it 4 stars because he was a bad critic who had the mindset of "if a movie has lots of eye candy, it's a total masterpiece by default!!" (see also: his review of the phantom menace)
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