Board 8 > Fire Emblem: Three Houses: Too early for Edelgard for smash train?

(+) Yeah! (+)

I like Dedue, but there are aspects of his characterization that I don't like for the same reason I have issues with Catherine very much. Felix's C support with him explains it pretty well.

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Literally Lindheart is in that top 10.
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Lindhardt's a weird choice. All the others are solid though.

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Also UHHHHHH NO FLAYN IN THE TOP 10 GIRLS?

This is worthless.
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SantaRPidgey posted...

https://serenesforest.net/three-houses/monastery/greenhouse/

PSA

Obviously, what items you get depends on the seed(s) that you use; flower seeds will typically sprout flowers, etc. If you mix different types of seeds, youll get items from one of the seeds only (chosen at random).

Why wouldn't they tell you this?? So it's basically never useful to plant certain seeds

Yeah I saw that recently and it's super weird if true.
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Xiahou Shake posted...

Children can stay far away from this series for another 6 games or so, k thanks

sorry genealogy is the next remake.

tho I guess you technically don't need to have children in that game
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Hell yeah Echoes: Genealogy

(Watch us get trolled and get Echoes: Elibe instead)
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Shadow Dino posted...

Hell yeah Echoes: Genealogy

(Watch us get trolled and get Echoes: Elibe instead)

This post communicates my thoughts well

You could say it echoes my feelings
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I just want a fuckin' rerelease of the Tellius games

Don't even need to remake anything, just make them available for less than $100

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So what does board 8's top 3h character list look like

Top five characters of each gender, each character gets descending points based on rank (1st place gets 5 points/ 5th place gets 1)

Gals

5p-Bernadetta
4p-Flayn
3p-Marianne
2p-Petra
1p-Annette

Guys

5p-Alois
4p-Claude
3p-Slyvain
2p-Cyril (lol)
1p-Lorenz

I acknowledge that Cyril is the worst character in the game objectively but I just like the little dud
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List as of doing 2.5 routes, in no particular order:

Males Characters - Ferdinand, Caspar, Dimitri, Felix, Ashe

Female Characters - Dorothea, Bernadetta, Petra, Marianne, Annette

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KamikazePotato posted...

I just want a fuckin' rerelease of the Tellius games

Don't even need to remake anything, just make them available for less than $100

Dolphin
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Xiahou Shake posted...

Dolphin

Convenience is nice (playing portable Fire Emblem > emulated PC Fire Emblem) and I also want others to be able to easily experience my favorite FE games. Radiant Dawn has a worse playrate than Binding Blade among the core fanbase.

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I don't really wanna rank everything until I finish Deers, but tentatively, not in order...

Edelgard, Bernie, Flayn, Marianne, Annette

Dorothea ended up losing a lot of points post skip, otherwise she would be here.

Dedue, Dimitri, Hubert, Seteth, Claude
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Dorothea has a lot of character development post-skip. It's what elevated her to "probably best female character" for me.

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KamikazePotato posted...

Radiant Dawn has a worse playrate than Binding Blade among the core fanbase.

Huh, is that really true? That's super surprising! Kind of funny considering the initial point though, since almost everyone who did play Binding Blade almost certainly did it through an emulator.
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Xiahou Shake posted...

Huh, is that really true? That's super surprising!

I held some extensive polls among the Fire Emblem and FEH subreddits asking different questions, one of them being playrate. Radiant Dawn's playrate was atrocious considering that the polls were held on reddits for fans of the series (was something like 44% if I remember correctly). Were easily the least-played translated games.

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Found the poll results, by the way:

Fire Emblem Heroes Subreddit
https://imgur.com/a/oDOUo

Fire Emblem Subreddit
https://imgur.com/a/uLjGc

Second batch of images ditched the fancy graphics because it took too long to make the first time.

EDIT: Here's my favorite results. Tellius Master Race
https://imgur.com/c8GBWs8
https://imgur.com/nb54bC8

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Path of Radiance is a perfect game and pretty much only needs a HD remaster (maybe with a fast forward button)

Radiant Dawn could become much better if they gave it the echos treatment, it could really use supports, and better organization of chapters and characters. Plus it's interface and models are so much more ugly than PoR for some reason.
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Radiant Dawn's character portraits are beautiful. Honestly I never paid much attention to the models.

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Oh the character portraits are fine, its just the interface, environments, and models that look bad. (bad might be strong, but it's jarring that they look worse than PoR and you play it right after)

KamikazePotato posted...

Fire Emblem Heroes Subreddit
https://imgur.com/a/oDOUo

I'm satisfied that Echos was voted best art direction and Conquest was voted best gameplay. Unhappy that there are 22 people who consider Corrin the best lord out there, and that those maniacs are allowed to walk free in society.
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Fire Emblem lords are traditionally not an impressive lot but Conquest Corrin sets new standards in awfulness
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I should dredge up some of the other stats I compiled. There were some interesting bits. Fire Emblem 7 people were the most 'elitist' (likely to rate the other games in the series the worst when compared to their favorite). Players that played the pre-3DS games were likely to rate the 3DS era games lower than people who only played Awakening/Fates/Echoes, but not by much. Unsurprisingly, people's favorite protagonist was highly correlated with their favorite game, with the strongest example by far being Robin - something like 95% of people who voted him as their favorite main character also voted Awakening as their favorite game.

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All 3 Houses lords are thankfully big winners.
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Found some of the Fun Facts I made for the FEH Reddit Survey:

Fun Facts
*As stated before, Genealogy had by far the most ardent support for Best Story. 42% of people who played it voted for it in that category. When's the Echoes version coming out, IS?

*Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn had the most ardent supporters when it came to rating games. 28% of the people that rated them gave them a 10/10. Genealogy and Thracia 776 had 18% of the people rating them give them a 10/10. No other games had supporters that dedicated.

*Revelations had by far the loudest detractors. 8% of people that rated it gave it a 1/10. Pretty much every other game had 1-2% of people giving them a 1/10.

*The average number of FE games that people have played is 7.44. People that started with Blazing Blade and Sacred Stones have played around 8. People that started with Awakening have played 7, which is honestly more than I expected considering Awakening didn't come out that long ago.

*People that started with Awakening rated the 3DS-era games more favorably, but not by much. They also rated pre-3DS games lower than the average, but only by a little.

*People that started with Blazing Blade were overall harsh. They rated nearly everything below the average, with the exception of Conquest, which they actually rated above.

*People that started with Sacred Stones were more mixed. They rated pretty much everything close to the average. Except for Radiant Dawn, which they rated extremely high for some reason.

*In general, people that started with a game rated that game above the average. First impressions stick with you! Even then, Blazing Blade stood out. They rated it very far above the average. When combined with their harsh ratings on almost all the other games, it would seem that Blazing Blade starts have a clear idea of what they want from Fire Emblem and don't accept much else.

*The playrate for Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn among people that started with Awakening is atrocious. Understandable, considering they never got Virtual Console releases and go for approximately $8932984579 on amazon.

*Perhaps out of disappointment with Awakening, about 20% less of the people who started with Blazing Blade and Sacred Stones went on to play Fates.

*467 people have played at least one Fates game. That's just under Awakening's 480+ playrate.

*A person's favorite game was very strongly correlated to their favorite protagonist. In one of the more extreme examples, 91% of people who voted Robin as their favorite protagonist also list Awakening as their favorite game.

*Oliver defeated Arden in the Best Girl poll by a margin of 158-147. True beauty has been recognized.

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KamikazePotato posted...

*Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn had the most ardent supporters when it came to rating games. 28% of the people that rated them gave them a 10/10. Genealogy and Thracia 776 had 18% of the people rating them give them a 10/10. No other games had supporters that dedicated.

Thracia is the one game I will never understand the love for. Dear god that game is full of stupid shit. It's almost exclusively designed around being unfair for new players while being a sad, trivial joke to anyone who knows what's coming.
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Now that I'm a good chunk into the time skip, I can't help but find myself wishing that the monastery had been destroyed at the end of Part 1. The game flow just doesn't seem to benefit from having it around after that. It's amazing how well paced your army growth is in the first part; you get everyone into their advanced classes just in time for the skip and in a lot of ways it feels like you've finished raising your students. But now everything just keeps going like it did and I'm swimming in activity points that really only go toward spamming meals for support and motivation so I can spam instruction and slowly turn A ranks into S ranks.

It just doesn't seem worth having in exchange for how much better the story pacing in this stretch could have been. This by itself might be what ends up having this game take second place to PoR for me.
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KamikazePotato posted...

Even then, Blazing Blade stood out. They rated it very far above the average. When combined with their harsh ratings on almost all the other games, it would seem that Blazing Blade starts have a clear idea of what they want from Fire Emblem and don't accept much else.

lol learning to not compare every fire emblem game to 7 is a tough road to follow. I imagine it's because the people who started with it probably played it the most times, and played the most modes.

It's funny because in this year of playing nothing but fire emblem I've noticed most games have two trajectories either it starts fun and multiple playthroughs make you realize how shallow it ultimately is (three houses) or it starts bad and multiple playthroughs let you see how amazingly deep it is (conquest)

Fire Emblem 7 is a game that starts pretty darn good and keeps getting better with each playthrough, if you didn't play it multiple times you wouldn't even notice some of the side stories like Renault's past or Bartre learning to eat books or how Bartre and Karla met or the whole Kishuna situation that I still don't have all the details of even after playing it for 20 years
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FE7's story gets dumber and dumber the more you think about it. Playing it repeatedly just reveals how many things it doesn't care to explain that it hopes you won't notice. And I've played it like, 8 times and if it weren't for looking them up online I still would have seen almost no support conversations because man oh man GBA era support conversations are such a dreadfully awful mechanic.
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All FE games have dumb plots that get dumber as you think about them. FE7 is about exploring the interpersonal relationships that build on the world, and those are all great.
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The personal stuff is all apparent on your first playthrough (well, beyond Hector Mode requiring you to unlock it), not exactly anything that gets more interesting on repeat playthroughs.
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Hmm, I'm still going through Golden Deer part 2, but if I would make a list (subject to change)

Top 5 Gals
1) Hilda
2) Dorothea
3) Edelgard
4) Lysithea
5) Ingrid

Top 5 Dudes
1) Claude
2) Hubert
3) Dimitri
4) Felix
5) Ferdinand

(Yeah, even without playing BL myself, I've watched enough runs to rank Dimitri top 5)

I think if I was to do a Top 5 period, it would probably look like this:

1) Claude
2) Hilda
3) Dorothea
4) Edelgard
5) Hubert
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Finished a Blue Lions playthrough. Haven't done any of the others yet.

Blue Lions rankings:

Felix > Dedue > Dimitri > Ashe > Mercedes > Annette > Ingrid > Sylvain
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I see Dorothea ranked high pretty often but I don't think I've seen her ever not be boring.

But she's got a great hat
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Edelgard and Hubert are my top 2 as of now (just about up to Golden Deer timeskip).

I find that this game's better at the serious characters than some other FE games, but the quirkier characters are no match for the 3DS games. Owain and Cynthia are way more fun than any of the fun characters, and Tharja's better than the shy ones too.
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Hilda had better get some amazing characterization in the GD route, because from my limited exposure with her she's extremely unpleasant.

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Dorothea really does have a great hat
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Since we're doing this ranking thing, I guess mine would be something like

Dimitri >> Claude > Sylvain > Hubert > Seteth

Edelgard > Ingrid > Marianne > Petra > Shamir

(unless this is supposed to be in terms of likability as opposed to a good character list, on likability I'd have to make some changes, notably nuking Edelgard to the depths of hell)
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KamikazePotato posted...

Hilda had better get some amazing characterization in the GD route, because from my limited exposure with her she's extremely unpleasant.

Her support with Marianne is really what sold me on her.

Xiahou Shake posted...

Now that I'm a good chunk into the time skip, I can't help but find myself wishing that the monastery had been destroyed at the end of Part 1. The game flow just doesn't seem to benefit from having it around after that. It's amazing how well paced your army growth is in the first part; you get everyone into their advanced classes just in time for the skip and in a lot of ways it feels like you've finished raising your students. But now everything just keeps going like it did and I'm swimming in activity points that really only go toward spamming meals for support and motivation so I can spam instruction and slowly turn A ranks into S ranks.

It just doesn't seem worth having in exchange for how much better the story pacing in this stretch could have been. This by itself might be what ends up having this game take second place to PoR for me.

I'm actually glad that the BE/BL routes are shorter than GD, because the GD post-skip was really painful in between chapters. I straight up just rested some weeks because i didn't even care to do much of anything with the monastery. After a couple chapters I thought to myself, it would be funny to train Raphael on horses, starting from 0, just to see if I can make him a great knight by the end. And I accomplished that, and still had time leftover. It was absurd how empty and soulless it got to be.
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Post Chapter 17 Golden Deer + Crimson Flower Endgame

Lololol Dimitri pops up after being thought dead only to get offscreened like an absolute chump? Jeeze, he at least went out with some dignity in Crimson Flower.

Really thought the second Gronder fight should've been a FoW map. They even mentioned foggy conditions and then throw in Edelgard scheming to make the battlefield chaotic. Maybe it'll get added to Lunatic. As it was, I snuck around the ballista while the Kingdom took out the beasts for me before I took out Edelgard and Dimitri.
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SantaRPidgey posted...

I see Dorothea ranked high pretty often but I don't think I've seen her ever not be boring.

But she's got a great hat

Dorothea has the advantage of being possibly the best non-lord in the game mechanically. She gets three of the best black magic spells, she's ludicrously good.
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I've played all the house routes (though I haven't finished GD), here's my initial tier list of battle power.

Edelgard Tier
Edelgard

Very High Tier
Dorothea, Petra, Dimitri, Felix, Lysithea

High Tier
Linhardt, Hubert, Mercedes, Ashe, Ingrid, Claude, Hilda, Seteth, Flayn

Mid Tier
Bernadetta, Sylvain, Annette, Lorenz, Marianne, Catherine, Shamir

Low Tier
Caspar, Ferdinand, Ignatz, Manuela, Hanneman

Very Low Tier
Dedue, Raphael, Cyril, Alois, Gilbert
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Anagram posted...

Dorothea has the advantage of being possibly the best non-lord in the game mechanically. She gets three of the best black magic spells, she's ludicrously good.

With how much firepower mages can get in this game thanks to Black Tomefaire and Fiendish Blow (why does this come from an Intermediate class?), Meteor is outright broken.
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I can imagine plenty of Lunatic Mode runs starting off by getting physical characters into Brigand and magical characters in Mage to get Death Blow / Fiendish Blow ASAP.
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Shadow Dino posted...

I can imagine plenty of Lunatic Mode runs starting off by getting physical characters into Brigand and magical characters in Mage to get Death Blow / Fiendish Blow ASAP.

My dream Lunatic Mode would put limits on class certifications for exactly this reason
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You could probably cut the free days post time skip in half. Can't say I need four of them per chapter.
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Literally the only thing I do on them (assuming I have no reason to battle) is eat with everyone who needs it and spam the rest of my activity points on training. It takes literally 3-4 minutes.
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Anagram posted...

I've played all the house routes (though I haven't finished GD), here's my initial tier list of battle power.

Edelgard Tier
Edelgard

Very High Tier
Dorothea, Petra, Dimitri, Felix, Lysithea

High Tier
Linhardt, Hubert, Mercedes, Ashe, Ingrid, Claude, Hilda, Seteth, Flayn

Mid Tier
Bernadetta, Sylvain, Annette, Lorenz, Marianne, Catherine, Shamir

Low Tier
Caspar, Ferdinand, Ignatz, Manuela, Hanneman

Very Low Tier
Dedue, Raphael, Cyril, Alois, Gilbert

My favorite part of this is the total exclusion of Leonie. It's probably because Jeralt isn't a rankable character.
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Whoops, put her in mid.
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Raphael can at least soak up some damage, Shamir hardly ever did much of anything for me even though I gave her tons of stat boosts and tried to make her useful
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