Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 316: Goodyear in a Bad Year

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Corrik7 posted...

https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298133300779741184

What a joke. Bunch of criminals. The left keeps paying them lip service while they destroy communities. These rioters are not even from Kenosha by most accounts.

Since you're always criticizing me for posting twitter links, I'll point out that Andy Ngo is not at all a reliable source of information:
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/andy-ngo-right-wing-troll-antifa-877914/

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Andy is just about the least reliable person on the right, and has been widely known as such ever since the "cement milkshakes" bullshit.

Educate yourself.

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Peace___Frog posted...

Andy is just about the least reliable person on the right, and has been widely known as such ever since the "cement milkshakes" bullshit.

Educate yourself.

Yeah, he is unreliable by posting a literal video you can watch yourself.

Problem is when you guys post tweets with commentary that doesn't support the videos due to being cut off from context or are someone's "takes" on stuff. I am not posting a tweet from him for his take on the situation. I am posting a video he tweeted that he got from livestreams during the riots. I could care less who tweeted the actual video out itself.

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Corrik7 posted...

Yeah, he is unreliable by posting a literal video you can watch yourself.

Problem is when you guys post tweets with commentary that doesn't support the videos due to being cut off from context or are someone's "takes" on stuff. I am not posting a tweet from him for his take on the situation. I am posting a video he tweeted that he got from livestreams during the riots. I could care less who tweeted the actual video out itself.

He's posting a video he says is BLM. And maybe it is! But because he's lied in the past, we can't be confident that he's representing the situation truthfully.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

He's posting a video he says is BLM. And maybe it is! But because he's lied in the past, we can't be confident that he's representing the situation truthfully.

Well, to be fair, if this video is not actually from Kenosha then I will say I was wrong. However, I feel very confident he is just tweeting it out from a livestream of the event (and probably wasn't even the initial poster of the video). Otherwise, there is no reason to be handwaving the activity and not commenting on the actual actions because of who stated it.

I mean, I see a lot people who just handwave actual verifiable statistics, accounts, and such because they don't like the sources. I think when the content is verifiable and also is data independent of the source it is less of an issue. If I link something from Foxnews that can be verified as true, what is wrong with looking at the content and discussing it.

I am not saying you have to like their commentary or etc. I mean, I link from a lot of sources that I think are some bullshit ass media, but I tend to focus on the content inside of it instead of the framing.

I believe a few times I have linked from CNN (maybe that's in the coronavirus topic) where I pull out the data they are using to frame their narrative and talk about the data in the article.

And, yeah, I don't give a shit about the BLM part or such. I just care about the video of people mass destroying cars (granted I am guessing it might be a small business dealership based on how the cars are arrayed... maybe). The violence on the livestreams in Kenosha was not a good sight to see. You had a streamer trying to get neighbors of houses on fire outside to safety in case the fires spread to their homes. A man who pointed a gun at a streamer to show him what he would do if a police officer came up to him while he was out on the streets. A police officer hit with a brick lying prone on the ground not moving while it was being celebrated by the crowd. A video of a man lighting vehicles on fire with molotov cocktails and such. Videos of them burning down a bank, looting stores, and etc. That shit is reprehensible and has nothing to do with the actual movement. The movement has been used by criminals. You have so many accounts reporting that this man was killed (he wasn't). Videos that edited out the context prior to the situation to rile up furor from the mob. People are trying to ignite these situations.

The mother of the man is asking for only peaceful protesting while they burn down the community and destroy it. You have people armed to the teeth in the mobs and people likewise armed to the teeth trying to protect their businesses out there. That is insanity. A cause that wants to end violence and criminal activity has no leg when it has been co-opted by violence in return.

Like, this situation is getting out of hand in too many areas where arguably the facts might bring reason to what happened if we let them come out before jumping to conclusions. This happens every election cycle. This is Milwaukee in 2016. Charlotte in 2016. People don't care about what actually happened in many of these cases.

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Pretty cookie cutter and nothing that really grabs you to go vote tbqh. A lot of it is rehashed.


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Corrik7 posted...

Teach American Exceptionalism

*barf*

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From what I understand, no body cams on the Kenosha cops. They aren't budgeted to get them until 2022. Defund the police... *rolls eyes*.

That's the danger of social media a lot. If there wasn't a video from the opposite side, if there isn't a video to the lead up itself then the police are at the mercy of mob without a way to explain their actions due to a snippet of the actual scene.

"If you're sitting here and telling me that there was no way to subdue that gentleman or detain him or just before the firing of guns, then you're sitting here and lying to not only me, but you're lying to every African American, every Black person in the community," James said. "Because we see it over and over and over.

"If you watch the video, there were multiple moments where if they wanted to, they could've tackled him. They could've grabbed him. You know? They could've done that. And why, why does it always have to get to a point where we see the guns firing?"

You get views like this from Lebron James painted page 1 ESPN that are based on a video that doesn't show the entire incident. Does Lebron say this comment if he sees the cops did try to physically detain him and tase him first? Maybe. Maybe not though. We shouldn't be jumping to a conclusion.

You are seeing this over and over because this is what the media and social media wants you to see over and over. It is frankly very irresponsible.

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How can someone who criticizes judging the police based on video of their actions just trust Andy Ngo of all people? Assuming that both the people in the video are actors on behalf of the cause you say, that there is not a single other bit of context to it, and that he is fairly representing the situation is incredibly unlikely. Also, the same guy defending everything the cops ever do and posting outright propaganda against BLM also supports Biden!

In other news, yet another right wing endorsement of Biden (this one not rejected):
https://www.thedailybeast.com/controversial-gop-foreign-policy-hand-john-negroponte-endorses-biden
Nice that war criminals keep endorsing him! I'm sure someone who runs a campaign of trump being weak on national security keeps getting endorsed by natsec Iraq war proponents. Definitely a good sign. This country is completely fucked no matter what happens. No hope at all for a better future.

GentlemanGamer posted...

How can someone who criticizes judging the police based on video of their actions just trust Andy Ngo of all people? Assuming that both the people in the video are actors on behalf of the cause you say, that there is not a single other bit of context to it, and that he is fairly representing the situation is incredibly unlikely. Also, the same guy defending everything the cops ever do and posting outright propaganda against BLM also supports Biden!

What are you talking about? Go to the dailymail link from the previous page I linked. It has photos of what I think is that dealership with all it's cars smashed and burned up. Like, what are you debating about the video is real? Was that actually a car smashing event at a local fair that he is representing as rioters? You are trying to handwave the action by deflecting.

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I genuinely don't see whatever daily mail link you are talking about, but...the daily mail is a tabloid used by mrduckbear and not a serious source of news. And the fact that things happened doesn't at all confirm who did it, or why. Andy Ngo has a proven record of making his posts be very biased and wrong to spin a narrative, and if you want to be taken seriously you should probably avoid the daily mail or Andy Ngo to make your points.

Corrik7 posted...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8660213/Video-shows-Jacob-Blake-brawling-cops-shot-Wisconsin-cops-placed-leave.html

Some additional context with an alternate side view of the moments leading up to his walking around the side of the car.

Are you seriously also arguing that aftermath photos and videos of the mayhem unfolding doesn't matter because you didn't see it from CNN or some one else you prefer?

Like, is that seriously your take?

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For the record, I have always condemned any rioting/looting/arson. However, some of these incidents have turned out to be performed by opportunists (or right-wing agitators) rather than people actually associated with the legitimate protests, and I dont trust Andy Ngo (or whoever was doing the actual videotaping) to have accurately identified them.

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Corrik7 posted...

Are you seriously also arguing that aftermath photos and videos of the mayhem unfolding doesn't matter because you didn't see it from CNN or some one else you prefer?

Like, is that seriously your take?

No, my take was that the daily mail isn't a trustworthy news source, just like Andy Ngo isn't, and that I didn't see your post. I'll look at the article and see if anything about it changes my opinion now that I have seen it.

GentlemanGamer posted...

No, my take was that the daily mail isn't a trustworthy news source, just like Andy Ngo isn't, and that I didn't see your post. I'll look at the article and see if anything about it changes my opinion now that I have seen it.

I *think* the dailymail is the number 1 paper in all of UK. It isn't a tabloid like the national enquirer is.

The dailymail however is conservative and right-wing sort of like Fox news is. Hence, their spin tends to swing right a lot.

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Lightning Strikes posted...

This needs additional understanding of how Turkey operates to make sense.

Ive seen people call Erdogan an autocrat or a dictator like Un or Lukashenko. He is not. He doesnt, for instance, have a majority in the Turkish parliament and most of the major provinces are now ruled by the opposition including Istanbul and Ankara, both happening as recently as last year. He is still operating in a broadly democratic system (Turkey is considered a hybrid regime not an authoritarian or truly democratic one). Does that mean he cant be called a dictator? No, because he:

-Actively tries to subvert or question democracy to favour himself.
-Has diverted power to the executive from the representatives.
-Stacks the supreme court (and other independent state bodies) with people favourable to him.

Among other things. Remind you of anyone?

This is why Trump likes Erdogan. Because Trump *is* Erdogan. Or rather Erdogan is Trump. Before the likes of Orban, Erdogan was the first of the new populist tinpot dictator-lites that Trump drew inspiration from. Erdogan can absolutely be called a dictator as he subverts democracy in his own interest (though he is not all powerful and is elected), and so can Trump. If Erdogan is a dictator so is Trump, and frankly Im fine with that definition.

I will just say as a way of removing bias, when you see headlines about what Trump is trying to do in the election, try replacing Trump with Erdogan and USA with Turkey. Yeah, its messed up.

Yeah the way I see it Trump's practically trying to turn America into a police state. And much of the country is fine with that somehow? Just another step to fascism, which I guess is still preferable to social justice or something.


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We are extremely facist. This country is basically directed by Paul Veerhoeven at this point.

The Daily Mail sells a lot (relatively) but is not reliable. The Sun is the highest selling and is less right but even more unreliable. The UK has the lowest trust in the press of any democracy for a reason.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

Yeah the way I see it Trump's practically trying to turn America into a police state. And much of the country is fine with that somehow? Just another step to fascism, which I guess is still preferable to social justice or something.

This is the thing with these kind of quasi-dictators. They dont need to pretend like the whole country loves them or get everybody on board. They just need a solid 40% to keep backing them so the electoral system can carry them to victory on a technicality. Its why strong proportional democratic systems are more resistant to fascism.

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Amazing thread:

https://twitter.com/ne0liberal/status/1297546266717626370

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It's always fun when people accept murder as a reasonable consequence to slowly walking away from a cop but feign ignorance on the consequences of a society that routinely murders its people, with discrimination.

Riots are the response to repeatedly ignored injustices over our lifetimes, and all America seems to do is double down on the same shit and wonder why it keeps happening.

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GuessMyUserName posted...

Riots are the response to repeatedly ignored injustices over our lifetimes, and all America seems to do is double down on the same shit and wonder why it keeps happening.

I saw this on reddit today and thought it really encapsulated everything:

https://mobile.twitter.com/liluziflirt/status/1266422788631429120

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GuessMyUserName posted...

Riots are the response to repeatedly ignored injustices over our lifetimes, and all America seems to do is double down on the same shit and wonder why it keeps happening.

I'd argue that America doesn't "wonder why it keeps happening" it's just the half of America that is able to keep anything from changing realizes it's no longer socially acceptable to state why they're keeping things the way they are so they have to feign ignorance instead.

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it's all even wilder when you remember who touts the 2nd Amendment as a citizenry's protection and necessary fail-safe from a tyrannical government

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Corrik7 posted...

A cause that wants to end violence and criminal activity has no leg when it has been co-opted by violence in return.

This applies to the police too
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FFDragon posted...

I saw this on reddit today and thought it really encapsulated everything:

https://mobile.twitter.com/liluziflirt/status/1266422788631429120

...but the Rebels were just fighting the space-nazis, not random unrelated businesses

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The first modern police forces were specifically supposed to be unarmed. I consider myself lucky to have spent my life living in two of the only countries to have an unarmed police force. It's not the only way to deal with the problem, but this problem can't happen if the police don't have guns to begin with, and it would probably reduce unarmed police violence as a consequence of taking away the threat of armed violence as well.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

...but the Rebels were just fighting the space-nazis, not random unrelated businesses

excuse me what about the hutts. smh at this clear disregard for Tatooine's economy

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xp1337 posted...

excuse me what about the hutts. smh at this clear disregard for Tatooine's economy

...You mean when the Empire ended slavery? >_>

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It was such a chad move when the Emperor blew up Alderaan. Get triggered rebel scum

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https://twitter.com/VICENews/status/1298276056055656448

jesus fucking christ

"Right now, Jude is an adorable, perpetually tan-looking little brown boy, said Johnson, whose husband blogged, in 2015, about adopting their biracial son at his birth. Johnson is white. But one day, hes going to grow up and hes going to be a tall, probably sort of large, intimidating-looking-maybe brown man. And my other boys are probably gonna look like nerdy white guys.
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So statistically, when a police officer sees a brown man like my Jude walking down the road as opposed to my white nerdy kids, my white nerdy men walking down the road because of the statistics that he knows in his head, that these police officers know in their head, theyre going to know that statistically my brown son is more likely to commit a violent offense over my white sons.So the fact that in his head, he would be more careful around my brown son than my white son, that doesnt actually make me angry. That makes that police officer smart, because of statistics."

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wait i'm pretty bad on my star wars lore

I thought the Hutts were "just" a cartel that was unaligned with either the Empire or Rebels and just did whatever got them the most money. (Which had them mostly cooperating with the Empire in the context of the Rebellion but still!)

...and the empire ended slavery? wtf was the republic even doing before?

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Hope she d*es

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that woman should not be a mother

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What...the FUCK. That's YOUR child. YOUR son. And you're still saying "the police are right to fear him more than my white children". Are you fucking KIDDING me? HE'S YOUR FUCKING CHILD!

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Demonizing your son to own the libs

Seriously though what the fuck

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she's supposed to be on tonight for some graphic pro-life garbage

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So we should be shooting the rioters in the streets according to FFD because he wants them classified as actual violent rebels?

I don't think you guys think shit through very often.

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Leave it to Corrik to miss the entire point of the metaphor and agree that the Empire were the good guys in Star Wars.

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lmaooooo

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Luke Skywalker was the real villain.

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Inviso posted...

Leave it to Corrik to miss the entire point of the metaphor and agree that the Empire were the good guys in Star Wars.

The point is dumb and makes no sense. The rebellion is rebels and terrorists. Unless you win, your reward is death. I guarantee not a single person rioting wants to be considered a rebel.

That said, you really need to decide whether the BLM movement is a peaceful protests and just violent people are co-opting the movement of if your movement is a rebellion. You keep going back and forth whenever convenient.

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It can be multiple things.

It's peaceful protests because the majority of the time it is.

There is violence instigated by bad faith actors, looking to paint the entirety BLM as violent and dangerous. For example, cops that instigate violence against peaceful protestors to convert a protest into a riot and justify their use of force.

And finally, there are some rioters who are just fed up with the system, and feel like peaceful protests are just getting ignored, so riots and property damage are the only way to make their voices heard.

Multiple groups are at play here.

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Inviso posted...

It can be multiple things.

It's peaceful protests because the majority of the time it is.

There is violence instigated by bad faith actors, looking to paint the entirety BLM as violent and dangerous. For example, cops that instigate violence against peaceful protestors to convert a protest into a riot and justify their use of force.

And finally, there are some rioters who are just fed up with the system, and feel like peaceful protests are just getting ignored, so riots and property damage are the only way to make their voices heard.

Multiple groups are at play here.

So.

Peaceful protesters fine.

Everything else bad and should be punished by the law because it is hurting Innocent people and destroys the movement for the actual peaceful protestors. Good. Glad you are starting to get it.

You make people not give a shit about the movement when the movement is marred by violence and destruction. If you truly believed in your movement, you would be stopping the violent actors.

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Corrik7 posted...

So.

Peaceful protesters fine.

Everything else bad and should be punished by the law because it is hurting Innocent people and destroys the movement for the actual peaceful protestors. Good. Glad you are starting to get it.

You make people not give a shit about the movement when the movement is marred by violence and destruction. If you truly believed in your movement, you would be stopping the violent actors.

We're trying to. Why do you think we want to defund the police?

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Lol just remember if a single party ran on that dumb take they would get absolutely obliterated at the polls. Keep playing in fantasy land though.

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Corrik7 posted...

Lol just remember if a single party ran on that dumb take they would get absolutely obliterated at the polls. Keep playing in fantasy land though.

Of course they would.

Because a lot of this country are people like you, who think that we need to step back and let an investigation take its course before jumping to conclusions as to whether an officer-involved-shooting was justified, while simultaneously seeing no need for reform when police jump to conclusions and use excessive, lethal force on non-dangerous suspects. How are we supposed to correct a society that thinks leaping immediately to spur of the moment gun violence is acceptable, but don't you dare judge the police for using their firearms without a COMPLETE and THOROUGH investigation?

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it's mind boggling that some people are unable to distinguish between protestors and rioters

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When you get more offended about protestors burning some stores than a black man getting shot in the back, you maybe need to think about if you're part of the problem.
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Corrik7 posted...

So we should be shooting the rioters in the streets according to FFD because he wants them classified as actual violent rebels?

I don't think you guys think shit through very often.

Actually incredible 10/10 response, lmfao Im losing it reading this shit

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