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The Elon Musk episode has aged so spectacularly poorly I don't think anything can compete with it. And it was already one of the worst moments of the Simpsons when it released.

Sputnik1337 posted...

79.99 which is about $90 after tax

And we're already getting games bumped up to 89.99

It's kind of fun to see now that the GOP has just won and the game's over, they can stop pretending to be anything other than pure evil. Everyone is going to suffer and people are going to die, and these GOP politicians want that.

Like watching a major traffic pile up or a crazy train derailment. Its horrible but you just can't quite look away.

I think the last book dropped during season 2 of the show(?) or around there. Since then the franchise has exploded in popularity and the TV show had an overwhelmingly disappointing ending that was probably wasn't that different from GRRM's plans, they've started a spin off TV show that's still popular, and 2-5 additional spin offs still teased and somewhat expected to release. That's a huge amount of pressure for someone who was already known for constantly missing deadlines.

GRRM has also said he likes to write the characters without a lot of plot thought - "tending a garden" or whatever it was and letting the characters do whatever they'd be doing naturally. But it's also super unnatural to push everyone into the centre role for a big climax. So all that's really left for him to do is the exact thing he doesn't like to write, with a ton of pressure that he has to reach what are, at this point, completely unobtainable standards.

I'd frankly be surprised if he ever put out Winds of Winter, even if he does actually really want to. I kind of get it - I'd hate to be in this situation.

I've read the first three, but really had to push to get through everything after the first one (They're kids books, so it wasn't hard to push through, but I just lost interest). It might be that I'm now an adult, but I remember as a kid only a bit younger than Harry & co., when the books first came out and just never really being able to get into the books either.

Still have copies of the books available, so I might finally make my way through the whole series, but ehh. Maybe the next time I feel like some kids reads to feel a bit nostalgic, because I did enjoy most of the movies.

Whole show is also on Archive.org if anyone wants to see it:

https://archive.org/details/the-looney-tunes-show_202405

McMarbles posted...

I wish they acknowledged it more. Maybe added Tina to the official Looney roster.
But I also feel that way about the French spy fox from New Looney Tunes (hell, give her Pepes spot) but nobody watched that.

Was super disappointed when we finally got a Space Jam 2 for some reason, and they didn't keep Lola's characterization from the show. Could've been way more fun.

LonelyStoner posted...

I prefer the latter. With games that involve romance options Im more inclined for them to be as immersive as possible. Everyone being pansexual would take away from the realism.

There are times when I think this is fine (games like Stardew Valley/Harvest Moon/whatever where part of the main gameplay loop is including romantic options), but if its only supplementary I have no problem with set character preferences.

Like Cyberpunk 2077 had 4 romanceable characters, but each one would only respond like that with a specific character you were playing as. It was a side quest you could do, but it wasn't a main part of the game, and you had an option available to you regardless. The goal in CyberPunk was to make it seem like a real world, and these could be real people that aren't changing their preferences for you, and I liked that. But I would dislike it if it was a major gameplay feature like in Stardew Valley.

This isn't petty? This is basic business. AEW has counter-programmed WWE before - though it was a lot more common when WWE was really cold and AEW was really hot.

WWE wants to keep their market share - they've countered TNA, WCW, NJPW, ROH, etc... before. There's nothing special here just because its currently being done to AEW.

Pretending AEW is "happy just being an alternative" is baffling. They are absolutely in direct competition and AEW is constantly trying to erode WWE's market share - just because AEW has gotten most of the immediate growth they could be, doesn't mean that's not still the intention.

Aztex posted...

AEW fans are fragile and delicate they would go insane if they knew about the Monday night wars, even TNA went up against WWE. Why are they bothered by that?

People forget TNA's big move to Mondays was also directly countered by WWE. The big Jan 4 2010 show where TNA first went to Mondays and had Hogan, Bischoff, Jeff Hardy, etc... was countered by WWE bringing back Bret Hart for the first time on WWE TV since the Montreal Screwjob 13 years earlier. Was quite possibly one of the biggest moves WWE could make at the time. But nobody made a big deal about it because well duh.

SAlYAN posted...

And it's not like the movie gave us any good reason for her to be that way; they could have thrown in a subplot about a potential mole on the ship to make it a lot more palatable and even add some extra drama. But they didn't. They literally left it at "haughty standoffs leader expects loyalty."

There is, based around the whole "The First Order is tracking us through hyperspace" stuff.

SAlYAN posted...

Holdo being right in the end and Poe's plan failing doesn't magically absolve Holdo for being a crappy leader that directly inspired this nonsense. If you're taking command of a crew that doesn't know you, and steering them through a goddamn suicide mission, you need to give them some reason to trust you. She didn't.

I agree Holdo wasn't a good leader either, and Poe's rebellion and side quest was justifiable. But that doesn't mean Poe's decision was better or its monumental failure didn't teach him anything valuable. They even have a scene here when Leia wakes up where Poe gets some sense beaten into him and Holdo sort of reluctantly goes "yeah, he's that good"

I said in one of my earlier posts I think Poe's whole arc would have been better had Holdo been replaced by Leia, which could have been supported by the fact that Leia was shown to kind of enable Poe's reckless decision-making (like pushing Poe into the dreadnaught) but having that sharp conflict between the Holdo and Leia's relationships with Poe (partially because you can tell Leia and Poe have a pre-existing relationship) helps push Poe into more irrational decision-making.
reincarnator07 posted...

The worst thing is that I'm pretty sure that was the intention. Disney seemed so scared of the reaction to TLJ that they went out of their way to distance ROS from it in every possible way. Rose probably got done the worst, but you're right that basically all development and new ideas were thrown away to pander to nostalgia.

I don't think TLJ is the worst SW movie (It's not even the worst sequel) but it's the one that I find most frustrating because it had by far the most potential. I wish we could have had the trilogy from him because I think we would have seen something really interesting and fresh.

TLJ is nowhere close to the worst SW movie (at worst IMO its like the 4-6 spot of the "Skywalker Saga", but is probably gonna be remembered the worst just because of how the entire movie is now just failed potential.

Rose especially sucks, given how much purely-racial hate she got, and her demotion in RoS definitely comes off as LucasFilm and Disney just telling the racists they won.

havean776 posted...

The Empire is also so incompetent that it's baffling.
They destory the Rebellion's hangers with fighters... So why not keep using the fighters? Why not jump a ship ahead of them? Every single action of the Empire has to be explained away as "their stupid".

This one got directly explained in the movie. The rebels could fight off the First Order fighters, but couldn't get away - the safest, most effective thing for the First Order to do is to just keep them running until they ran out of gas. Its a seemingly hopeless environment that justifiably pushed Poe into setting up the whole side-quest for Finn and Rose.

havean776 posted...

But Poe saved the Rebellion by destroying that dreadnaught that would of destroyed the fleet. So no going in guns blazing was a good idea. He also stood down when he knew there was a plan instead of just being petty and keeping the commander of your fighters who twice now saved the Rebellion in the dark and give him nothing to do. So what else can he do but sit there and think about how all of them are going to die if he doesn't do something.
Dear lord Holdo your a leader give him a job to do.

The point is that going in guns blazing isn't always the best idea. When a dreadnaught was threatening to destroy the fleet, then yeah get your ass in gear. But with the situation they were in - The First Order is following them waiting for them to run out of gas - then you stop and take a breather first.

Poe also only backed down after his entire plan failed, because he was unwilling to sit around and wait. Poe was unwilling to accept that there was an option besides running in guns blazing, and didn't learn his lesson until he failed. Not to mention Poe's whole plan backfiring is also the thing that almost kills the whole rebellion. Failure is kind of a theme of the movie.

havean776 posted...

The whole casino planet. So they need a code breaker but get arrested for parking violation.
Than a prisoner also happens to be an expert code breaker and easily gets them out of the cell which aparently he was just sitting in for hours waiting for them?
Than they release a bunch of horses that the slaves will probably get blamed over.

He wasn't sitting in the cell waiting for them, he was sitting in the cell because he had also been arrested. Like a typical B-movie action plot. And he also immediately stabs them in the back, really underlining the whole theme of Finns arc.

The releasing a bunch of horses was a "its better to stand for something" kind of thing - its a symbolic gesture and that you can do something back is a hopeful message to send to those slaves, even if a couple of them get punished for it. Its a somewhat selfish view to put out, but it also seemed to work that way, given the actual end of the movie.

havean776 posted...

Than the whole message Finns arch is outright stated to be wrong earlier.
"You idiot don't sacrifice yourself, protect what you love!"
"Wow Admiral Holdo sacrificed herself to protect us all!"
Huh?.

They aren't quite the same situation. Finn went out to try and help out, and then decided to randomly suicide as if it would help. That's why Rose stopped him. Holdo had a separate plan to get everyone away safely, and after Poe and Finn's plan ruins it, gives herself up to let the rest of the team get away. Holdo's sacrifice was a "literally no other options, me or everyone else" and Finn's attempted sacrifice was "lol guess I'll kamikaze". Finn isn't learning from his failure by trying to kamikaze himself, and Holdo's is a result of it.

I'll admit Holdo is a weaker part of the story, and I think it would have been better had Leia been the leader in that position. Introducing Holdo makes the whole vibe "whiney blue haired librarian is talking down to our main characters and stopping the fun movie", whereas if it was Leia it would have made a much more worthwhile conflict simply because we. already know these characters. Leia "dying" was a more important part for Kylo Ren's arc, hesitating, and then her dying anyways, but she could always have just not been on the command deck at the time or something.

Westernwolf4 posted...

The movies needed to give some indication that what came before mattered in any way. The First Order and Empire appeared identical, right down to the enforcer wearing a helmet, ruled by a guy on a throne, planet killing weapon. I really enjoyed TFA, but the whole time I was thinking:,what were those other adventures for?

tbf, The First Order appearing identical was sort of the point. They aren't the Empire, but they're hijacking a ton of the iconography, and Kylo's entire character is based around trying to fill the shadow of Darth Vader without really understanding how to do that.

tl;dr I really like TLJ, you don't have to read this. I think RoS coming out did more damage to both the whole series and TLJ specifically then anything to come out of TLJ.

Kylo Ren ending TLJ as basically a school shooter was great, but then totally thrown away because some idiot at Disney felt like he needed to be redeemed for some reason. No his whole character arc was about him refusing redemption. That he's still failing basic lessons that he should've been passing when he was with Luke, while trying to pretend he's Darth Vader and trying to turn Rey to the dark side, as if he's a remotely capable Sith, because he's trying to fulfill ridiculous expectations based on his family. He's like a 4Channer, and he was a threatening villain not because he was like, a strong powerful threat, but because he's completely unhinged and there's seemingly no way to address this dude without causing a monumental amount of damage?

Luke failing by making an impulsive decision (which he did all the ****ing time in the OT) that ended up having catastrophic consequences are a completely justifiable reason for him to go into some self-imposed exile, just like both of his teachers, not to mention him attempting to recreate the Jedi order literally destroyed the universe again, justifying his complete disillusionment with everything he was doing. The acknowledgement that the "legend" of Luke Skywalker has gotten so out of control there's no way to live up to it was fun, and Luke's arc in the movie ended in a perfect way to support the "legend" of Luke Skywalker, more than him as an actual person, while the actual person of Luke Skywalker was able to directly respond to Kylo Ren's character arc, which allowed the seemingly impossibly dire situation to be saved, and that's awesome.

Finn had a fun arc of wanting to actually stand for something, whereas the whole original movie he was really just following Rey like a puppy. He gets to go on a fun little side quest where he learns everything sucks and actually trying to make the world a better place is a good thing, and then when the whole thing fails and Finn has to address his past, he finally decides he wants to fight against it, and that's a really fun character arc.

Poe has a fun little C-story about becoming a proper leader, and the fact the headstrongingly jumping into things isn't always the best decision. Upon the first rebuffment, he is able to convince half the fleet to perform a mutiny and put Finn and Rose on a side quest that spectacularly backfires and nearly ruins the actual rebel plan. And only by his spectacular movie-plot side quest failing does he realize that the rebel plan actually wasn't bad and that to be a good leader (which he clearly is) he can't go running roughshod into things.

And Rey has an excellent story where she has to come to terms with her crippling emotional issues that were set up in the first movie. She's built up this huge legacy about how finding Luke will save everything, how her parents must have been important because this is Star Wars and she has to be special, and it's all a lie. Luke is just a guy who's been completely disheartened by his own faillures and Rey's parents sold her for beer money. And Rey is unwilling to fully accept this, and seems insistent that they can just get things back to some mythical status quo and everything will be better again. This whole time Kylo Ren is offering some magical idea that all her problems will be solved and she can find the acceptance she's been craving forever by joining him and becoming a school shooter. And while Kylo's main failure is his inability to accept that he has any other options than the road he's currently going down, Rey is unwilling to sacrifice her belief that you can just do the thing and suddenly everything is back to good again - which we saw when she leaves Luke and it turns out she stole all the Jedi texts - seemingly unwilling to accept that bunch of what Luke told her was correct.

You as the viewer can see The First Order doesn't offer any of the stuff Kylo Ren is preaching to Rey about - you can see everyone is parasitic and leeching off of each other - Snoke seemed to think he owned Kylo, being unaware of Kylo's collapsing mental state, and its teased pretty clearly Hux is more than happy to stab Kylo in the back at the first opportunity to talk power for himself.

Everything was great and set up for a great concluding chapter, but then we got RoS and:

• Kylo Ren gets the single most awkward redemption arc in the entire franchise, leaning with the similarly most awkward kiss in the series (which does include Luke kissing his sister)
• Kylo Ren being school shooter levels of unhinged is just sort of swept under the rug.
• Luke loses anything interesting he had developed before and just exists to be a nostalgia-grab, and then buff up Rey's ego instead of adding anything interesting.
• Poe loses all characterization and becomes "friend of main character"
• Rose loses all characterization and is demoted to "rebel with lines"
• Finn loses all characterization he had and reverts to "just wants to **** Rey"
• They throw away everything going on with the First Order and just have The Emperor return with a giant fleet of magical generic CGI armies set to take over the galaxy, completely undermining everything about the last two movies for a weak nostalgia pop.
• Rey loses all characterization, and becomes a generic good guy hero who actually does have super-special awesome family and was abandoned for a good reason and she doesn't need to have any internal conflict again because it turns out she had nothing to be internally conflicted about.

Just takes everything TLJ tried to actually do and spits on it, throws it away, or actively works against it which makes the whole movie, the whole trilogy, and the whole 9-movie "Skywalker saga" fall apart pretending this is how it ends.

Honestly, not until pretty well along his first term. But that's more of a "I didn't make 2+2 = 4 in my head until then" kind of thing.

In hindsight, probably the second time Trump announced a Press conference, and then was like 45 minutes late, and everyone waiting just kind of... kept on the empty podium giving Trump free press because he said he wanted to make a statement.

Such an obvious power move and what media should have done was gone "whatever, we'll ignore him, maybe let you know if he says something worthwhile, we have more important things to do" but didn't.

starts October 2010 with the beginning of The Walking Dead. It was a huge part of moving tv to the short, prestige episodes that were largely moved to, and a big part of the now reliance of existing IPs to get people in the door. Over the next couple years we saw this go farther with game of thrones starting and the MCU starting to peak.

End in summer 2019 when avengers endgame released. Culminating the MCU also quelled a lot of the major interest in comic stuff and created a turning point in the mainstream now that the whole saga was complete.

Covid is also a good endpoint because it was just such a drastic change in literally everything.

HudGard posted...

True but theres a reason any franchise that leans into toy sales will constantly introduce new versions of things.

Its not like there aren't plenty of dinosaurs they can introduce.

But whatever, it's not that big of a deal. Its kind of a miracle the first Jurassic Park movie was so good, even the book was basically a silly B-movie.

I very much dislike the dinosaur having 6 arms though. SO FEW things have 6 appendages like that it's such a ridiculous idea that would never actually happen. Its a movie and whatever goes, but that doesn't mean I can't be pedantic about it.

https://youtu.be/UbtByiZrKqY

Young man you cant just go declaring shenanigans on innocent people, thats how wars get started

Such a great Saturday-Morning style cartoon.

The End of Season 2 where we get like 4 layers of the Power of Friendship saving everyone was just some of the most I've enjoyed any TV in years.

I'm Canadian, so I'm not at risk until either late next year or late 2028 when Trump invades Canada to declare a state of emergency and prevent an election and declare himself dictator.

saspa posted...

Train to... busan? A Korean movie that predates Parasite? Could it be?

Train to Busan was a big deal when it first came out, because it was sort of a last gasp of "zombie stuff can actually be really good" before the trend started fully dying out.

It has 2(3?) sequels that are also pretty decent watches. Though I don't think either is quite as good.

I was debating finally upgrading my Series S. That's not gonna happen anymore.

I basically only buy games on sale anymore, but I guess its good I blew the money I did to buy all the games I did during their spring sale last week.

Enclave posted...

They're more like 3 parties rather than 2 but yes what you've posted here is in-line with what I've been saying about the apparent civil war brewing in the party.

It'll be interesting to see how much they fracture - because in a worst case scenario (for them) they could split into a ton of parties, basically forming regional conservative parties. But that also means they'll effectively never hold government again, so I think a split into effectively "I don't want to vote liberal, but basically them" and "social conservatism" factions is also likely.

Though it'll also be really interesting to see how much a PC split hurts the liberal party. A lot of liberal seats, especially in this election, came from "we don't want to go far-right", and if the conservatives aren't likely to form government, I wonder how many of those seats might stay liberal.

By default, the Conservative Party is gonna run a "do we keep him" investigation because they lost the election, regardless of blowing the big lead. PP saying he'll continue as leader doesn't really matter if they decide to kick him anyways.

Though if PP decides to fight it, he can split the conservative party into the 2 parties it actually is - which will effectively stop the conservatives from ever holding a majority government again, but will actually be more representative of the weird mismatch of conservative voters.

gikos posted...

then i hope it happens and that keeps the liberals on their toes and not go to the right like most centrists liberals are doing it in EU countries

Liberals are typically much more willing to go left for the NDP than right to court the conservatives, and because the current government the liberals + NDP is enough to reach the 50% +1 threshold to pass stuff, its likely this will continue.

That's not to say the liberals are gonna start moving further left, but we'll be getting things a bit more to the left than we likely would with a liberal majority.

At least historically, this government is much more likely to go left than go right, but we live in strange times so who knows for sure.

gikos posted...

hope the NDP recover tho cuz last thing cananda needs is no partying pushing the liberals party like in the UK which sadly has become utter garbage
they threw immigrants and trans people under the bus and one of their MP is pushing to publish news of immigrants committing crimes which will stoke the hate against them even more

I believe if the NDP is able to stick around until the next election (they lose a lot of funding by losing party status IIRC) they'll recover fine. A lot of seats that would normally have gone NDP either went Liberal or conservative to due the nature of this election and the momentum pushing to a lot of vote splitting from the NDP (and NDP having a pretty weak campaign didn't really help)

I fully expect a lot of the seats the NDP lost can go back to NDP in the next election.

TheGreatEscape posted...

yeah I know but if you want your leader to have some exposure it helps to have him sit at the commons. I really doubt they'd name an unelected leader unless someone really popular comes out of nowhere and runs for it.

I agree, but I wouldn't be surprised if one of the people from the ridings that typically go NDP run for leadership - when the vote isn't splitting could easily lead to more NDP seats and the leader getting back into the commons. And we could always get special elections triggered if some ridings are really unhappy with their NDP representative going conservative.

Its not like its helping much, I'm thinking it moves from the ~7 or so people who were elected this year to a pool of ~12-15 of people who are consistently elected outside of the very special circumstances of this election.

TheGreatEscape posted...

I think the handful of NDP MPs have to start thinking about who they want as leader now too. With 7 elected, that's a small pool.

I'm thinking Boulerice, the only surviving MP in Quebec, will take a shot at it

The leader of the party doesn't officially need to hold a seat. And we're likely to see some special elections in the next few years from a bunch of these safe-NDP seats that went conservative due to vote splitting going back to the NDP.

But also, part of the reason Jagmeet was around as long as he was is that there wasn't a ton of competition for that leader spot. It's gonna be a fun race.

So in 2015, redistricting broke up the Carleton-Nepean riding into multiple, making Pierre Pollievre move to the specific "Carleton" riding.

Not only was that the one he lost today, but the "Nepean" side of that riding - that was the seat Mark Carney just won.

I think that's really funny.

Enclave posted...

He didn't step down. Maybe it'll change since he lost his seat but at the moment it looks like the party is gearing up for a civil war.

The Party really should be multiple conservative parties. As a tentpole, it's too awkwardly covering too many things, most of which even other conservatives don't agree with. But without this unity, the conservatives can never come close to winning. So I think they're going to desperately try to keep the party together.

Pierre officially doesn't need a seat to be leader (Mark Carney only just won his seat and has been leading the party a few months now), but is typical. As leader of the party, PP can also sort of just take a seat from someone else.

What's crazy is that Carleton (PP's riding) is a full-out conservative stronghold. It's a huge flip for the liberals and is like, the 2nd or 3rd time ever that area hasn't voted conservative. That's how much of a loser PP was.

What's even funnier, is the seat Mark Carney won, was also PP's seat until ~2015.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

A reminder to all those who aren't Canadian, that the Conservatives are really the only right wing party at all anymore in Canada. There WAS a small splinter group (and they still exist) but they get like, less than 0.7% of the vote or something?

Technically there are a couple right wing parties because Canada officially will have like 5-8 candidates running in many ridings, but the only ones that really matter will be the liberal party, and depending where you live, NDP or maybe the one riding that typically goes Green. Even the Conservative Party really should be 2-3 separate parties, given its a conglomeration of every random nutcase that would fall under "conservative" - but if they did they'd never win anything so that's unlikely to happen.

The PPC was on the upswing, getting about 5% of the national popular vote in the 2021 election (an increase from 2019), but not focused enough to grant any seats. They've been pretty quiet since Covid ended, so we'll have to wait and see until all the votes are fully counted to see if they made any ground this time. Pollievre also leaned into the far-right conservative base pretty hard, which probably would have eaten away at much of the PPC's base.

Enclave posted...

It was largely strategic voting that did in the NDP.

Singh hasn't really been popular for a while - he comes off as attention-grabby and nobody is really sure what the NDP is actually supposed to represent with him at the helm, because he's taken a lot of the emphasis off of like, strong unions.

But yeah, the thing that really did the NDP in was a lot of people in NDP ridings strategically trying to vote liberal to be anti-conservative, which ironically gave a lot of those seats to the otherwise more distant conservative.

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Yeah, so for a majority government, the liberals needed to win 172 seats, and (as of now, they have 168 seats, with a handful of places still counting) so they have nearly majority power, but not quite.

The NDP and Green Party (the two other prominent left-ish parties in Canada) have 7 and 1 seats respectively, meaning they now have a lot of power to be able to push a lot of liberal policies farther left. Being just shy of a majority also means it'll be really hard to trigger another election at a poor time for the liberals, since they'll need basically everyone but them to agree to triggering an election.

It also means if the conservatives (or anyone really) wants to pass a bill the liberals don't like, they need everyone else to vote in favour to get it passed. Not impossible, but not likely.

Basically, we have a fairly safe, looks to be somewhat-left-leaning government for like, comfortably 3-5 more years.

Heptade posted...

Why would the Bloc ever be fully on-board with the Conservatives on anything that matters? They are mostly center-left and if you go on their website, the first article of their political platform translates to "oppose the Trump menace".

Because they are Quebec first more than anything else. But the point was moreso they would effectively be able to decide anything. Add to that while on paper Quebec leans centre left, Quebec politics are also pretty socially conservative - they just don't vote conservative because Quebec has its own minority culture they pretty adamantly protect.

It's not likely they'd be fully on board with the conservatives, but the fact they'd be able to partner with the cons to help the cons get a vote passed gives them a ton of power. If both the liberals and conservatives can partner with the Bloc to get something passed, its a history-making level of power for the Bloc.

We're still possibly in a good timeline - Currently leading is Liberals 163 - NDP 8 - Green 1 - meaning that the three of them can in fact hit a plurality of seats and we can actually have stuff get done.

IcyWind14 posted...

It means the Bloc are the real winners. I don't know if they've ever held power like they do now, they literally are sole decider of who governs.

Yeah. currently Full Cons + Full Bloc means majority, and liberals + NDP + Greens still need at one Bloc to vote for what they want.

This ultimately means unless we get some last-minute liberal gains (which isn't impossible - the only polls really left are early voting which should lean liberal) very little is gonna happen for the next couple years.

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They do, but most of them don't vote. Also, A renewed liberal party and weak NDP meant most NDP strongholds were split down the middle, which ironically led to a lot of conservative gains.

This isn't really a sign that conservatism is taking a hold here - conservatives will vote conservative and literally nothing can change their minds - however the sort of natural state of Canadian politics is a liberal minority government. It's a stronger Conservative Party than is normal, and much weaker NDP/Bloc, but its not too out of the norm.

Well of course. Donald Trump won the election and is therefore the official biggest, most special-est boy. Why would polls suggest he isn't the biggest most special boy ever?

DodogamaRayBrst posted...

Have the non-Trumpers won yet?

Yes. We probably won't know the full extent for a little while until the final polls are finally counted, but the liberals have won and we're basically waiting to see by how much.

Justin2Krelian posted...

Wouldnt all 3 minor parties (PP seems to have no seats) support the Liberals? If so, they would win easily.

The Bloc Qubcois is a tricky group, because they basically have zero interest in Canada as a country - they don't even run candidates outside of Quebec. Its not quite at the level of "they support the liberals"

And without the Bloc or conservatives, the liberals currently can't reach a majority of votes.

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Well every media outlet in Canada sans-CBC is owned by rich conservatives. Trumpism is here in Canada strong regardless of how much we might want to fight it, and for like, the last decade its been Trudeau's fault every time you stub your toe.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

Getting closer now between Liberal and Conservatives. 155-149

There are a ton of really close ridings, so as the last polls come in we'll probably see some flux here - I've also seen currently 157-148 Liberal-Conservative

I don't know if its actually true, but I've heard advance polls are last, which would definitely skew liberal.

TC didn't include it, and its not done, but is looking like:

Liberal party wins a minority
Conservatives very close behind

Liberals don't have enough of a minority with the NDP to claim majority status, so nothing is going to happen for a couple years until another election is called.

Ideally, the last handful of ridings lead to a high minority liberal government, or some NDP gains to keep them an official party, because its not gonna be great if the non-conservatives can't reach a plurarilty of seats.

Basically, this is a win, but it needed to be a bigger one.

faramir77 posted...

Disagree, I think a Liberal minority government just means that we'll be back to the polls within a year, at the most.

Only if Libs + NDP aren't enough to claim a majority. If NDP can't maintain official party status, they'll need the threat of dissolving a liberal government to stay alive, and the cons will immediately call for an election if they have the power to.

Srk700 posted...

Not Poilievre thats for sure. Hes Canadas version of Trump apparently.

Well, Canada's version of Trump if Trump also had no charisma. so Trump if you removed literally the only positive attribute Trump has.

Alucard188 posted...

They need nine more seats to form a majority, I believe.

It'll be a tough government if at least Liberal + NDP can't get a majority, because the cons will refuse to play with the liberals at all and BQ is tough to ever deal with.

Scardude posted...

This is more akin to war time action and temporary. If liberals want to keep the ndp on their side. They will need to do better right now. Temporary truce won't last long and ndp voters will go back.

I mean, if NDP loses their "official" party status, there may not be much of a party to go back to. NDP needs 4 to 5 more seats and some of them are iffy.

faramir77 posted...

If the Liberals get a majority, it will be very, VERY slim. But there may still be a small chance of it happening.

Yeah, looking like a "just-short-of-majority" minority government. Which tbh is probably a good choice - NDP is getting slaughtered here, and would probably be more than happy getting pandered to by the liberals while they lick their wounds and try to find... some way of actually moving forward (probably without Singh, people don't seem to actually like him much).

18 Ridings to still report -
Lib - 160
Con - 133
BQ - 24
NDP - 8

__starsnostars posted...

Still to be determined.

It did do good. The right people won. We're yet to see how good Canada did.

kirbymuncher posted...

I imagine all the conservative voters in canada must be real annoyed at trump right now, he basically completely sank what would otherwise have been an extremely easy win

It's interesting, because what I've gathered about this Canadian election here, is that the conservatives had a ton of energy, largely because of hate to Justin Trudeau. People were going conservative, but pretty quickly abandoned them the second Trudeau was gone.

So all of these people who may have been leaning conservative were on the side of "the status quo isn't working, we need a change", but also had zero belief that the conservatives would actually solve anything.

There's gonna be units in political science classes for the next century about how the conservatives blew this election.

Enclave posted...

But they cannot actually announce who won districts until voting has ended for the day across the country. So basically we won't know actual results until after BC polls close which is I THINK 7pm? Of course if there's lines in some areas that time can get pushed back. Results from out east should come in pretty quickly since they'll be counting before polls close in the west but they just can't release the results.

Yeah the times are staggered across the country so the polls all finish at about the same time. So we'll hear nothing for about another 7-8 hours.

https://www.elections.ca/content2.aspx?section=faq&dir=votinghours&document=index&lang=e

But we tend to count votes pretty quickly, so even in a lot of close ridings, we'll probably know who is making government by the end of the night.

Enclave posted...

It would have been easy though with Erin O'Toole since he saw the writing on the wall and realised that the Conservatives needed to shift more to the centre. Much of the party wasn't ready for that though and thus after his loss he was replaced with Poilievre who was appealing to the more far right portion of the party.

tbf, the last like 10 years the conservative playbook has been "every time you stub your toe its Trudeau's fault" and O'Toole would only be able to do so much to limit that.

I do agree O'Toole would probably have kept it laid back enough that he'd probably be able to at least steer the party back onto something after Trudeau stepped down.

Enclave posted...

What's kinda funny is that if the Cons were still running O'Toole as party leader? They probably would have swept this election.

If they were still running a con who could do anything they probably would have swept this election. It honestly wasn't even that big of a pivot they needed to do, and they couldn't do it.

Trudeau resigned and gave them like 3 full months to offer anything besides "Trudeau bad" and they couldn't.

IcyWind14 posted...

If the conservatives lose this election, Poilievre's done as leader. The CPC has booted every leader to lose to the liberals since Trudeau and he'd be no exception.

Even if he wasn't, it's pretty unlikely we'd have an election in 2028. If we get any majority, next election is 2029. If we get a liberal minority, I feel an early election would probably be 2027, two years makes sense. Could still last til 2029 though. And if we end up with a conservative minority, next election will probably be this October.

There's gonna be like, textbooks in political science classes about how the Conservatives managed to bungle such a open victory this badly.

PP is even at risk of losing his own seat, he's almost definitely done as party leader if the cons lose. And the cons have gotten so unpopular they probably wouldn't even be allowed to form a minority government. We'll probably get some kind of liberal/Bloc/NDP coalition government instead of letting the cons do anything.

Enclave posted...

Now that said, he strikes me as the sort who won't want to step down so I imagine either the party will have to replace him or the party will tell him in private if he doesn't step down he'll be replaced.

The last couple elections the PC leader has gotten booted right after losing the election. But each new leader has also gotten increasingly more right-wing, and it'll be interesting to see what happens after Pierre gets to boot, given his loss here is a very direct statement that Canadians don't want the MAGA stuff up here, which has been like, all of Pollievre's career, much less his entire time as party leader.

If Pierre doesn't step down, it might tear the whole party apart. Any of the "reasonable conservatives" who might realize that the big move is not wanting Trump-style politics here will want to push closer to the centre, while all the Maple MAGA types who want a new reich will insist the party move farther to the right. The Conservative Party as it is is already a really awkward mismatch of every random stupid "conservative" person, none of which seem to particularly like each other.

So, if ICE suspects you of being an illegal alien...

• They can break into your house by signing the warrant themselves without judicial approval
• They can "deport" you to a prison camp in El Salvador
• Even if you aren't here illegally, the Trump administration has set the precedent they will refuse to help get you home if you, an active citizen of the United States, are "accidentally" deported.

So are we at "just nazi shit again" yet, or do we still have a few more steps?

I ordered a Samsung S9 tablet like a month ago because it was on a pretty steep sale with the S10 about to come out. It was supposed to be delivered by like, March 24, a couple days after I ordered it.

11AM that day, I got an email from Walmart saying it was delayed, and to stay tuned for more information. Okay, sure, whatever. 2 weeks later, I still haven't heard anything, and am quietly refunded. I haven't been told anything - am I going to get re-charged once they finally have it in stock? So I wait another 2 weeks with literally zero information before I give up an order an iPad from somewhere else. It arrived Tuesday, and last night Walmart finally went "yeah we're cancelling your order" - I still have received zero actual information about it.

This isn't even like a "from overseas" complaint, just Walmart's online ****ing blows.