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HashtagSEP
06/13/19 3:08:25 PM
#152:


Are you referring to horde battles? Because the raid battle concept seems a good bit bigger than horde battle. Horde battle really didn't actually change anything about how the battle was carried out, even down to having to turn it into a normal battle again to do stuff like catch Pokemon.
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Nanis23
06/13/19 3:14:31 PM
#153:


HashtagSEP posted...
What do people mean when they say they want the "console factor leveraged," though?

It's simple
A Pokemon game on a home console was a childhood dream for most people, the same goes for Pokemon MMORPG
Personally I don't get it either, I mean..I can somehow drool over a Pokemon home console game if it had a {enter name of a open world game with the best graphics you know} graphics, but it doesn't

I don't hate SwSh graphics or anything but they are very simple and totally not what my 6 years old me dreamed about
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HashtagSEP
06/13/19 3:19:39 PM
#154:


I mean that seems like a logical fallacy because unless you're like 12 then 6 year old you didn't have graphics like current day to compare to in order to know "Yep, this is EXACTLY what I'm dreaming it will look like!" Your dream image would keep changing based on the evolution of Pokemon graphics themselves as well as the graphics of other games at the time. So while they may not meet what your standards are NOW, saying "They don't meet what 6 year old me dreamed about" is pretty silly.

So it's sounding like the argument for "console factor leveraged" is just boiling down to "BETTER GRAPHICS" which I think if anything would have made this cut Pokemon issue an even bigger issue.
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HashtagSEP
06/13/19 3:27:26 PM
#155:


Like, honestly, I can't say if this is what little me imagined console Pokemon could be or not because little me was super stoked and impressed just to see Stadium compared to Red/Blue
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SantaRPidgey
06/13/19 4:14:20 PM
#156:


If you're having difficulty imagining what a "console" pokemon game would be like, just take a single attribute from Breath of the wild.

Does s/s have botw standard graphics? No.
Does s/s have botw standard enviroments? No.
Does s/s bring something new to the game to the extent botw did? No
Does s/s have as good movement and transversal options as botw? No
Does s/s have dialogue on the same level as botw, a primarily single character game with sparse npcs and barely any story? I'm willing to admit I could be guessing wrong, but I guess very heavily no.

Go down the list with every attribute you might think of and it's going to come up with no almost every time unless you get weirdly specific.
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HashtagSEP
06/13/19 4:28:19 PM
#157:


What if you think BotW's traversal options suck ass though

Like if my ideal console Pokemon game is supposed to be a game that I think is subpar at best, that's weird!
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CasanovaZelos
06/13/19 5:16:30 PM
#158:


My main idea of a console Pokemon game largely involved being able to see the Pokemon roaming around in their natural environment, which this game (along with Let's Go) is doing.

The immersion there really comes down to how detailed they go, which I doubt is much - though, at the same time, more focus on immersion means more time with each individual Pokemon's animations which means less Pokemon, apparently.

So, right now, it seems like there are sacrifices in both directions. The behavior isn't detailed enough (I'd want to see Pokemon interacting in specific ways, not simply wandering around) while also still requiring a certain amount of effort that is taking up resources.

Which is why I like the idea of a simpler battle-focused app while the main games go all in on bringing the world to life - but they really have to do more effort to justify it. I want to watch Zangoose duke it out with Seviper, Tauros stampeding through the field, all of that. For me, that would be worth the cost of less in-game Pokemon.
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Team Rocket Elite
06/13/19 5:19:33 PM
#159:


HashtagSEP posted...
What do people mean when they say they want the "console factor leveraged," though? All I've seen so far are random suggestions of "make it an action rpg!" but that's dumb


Xenoblade but the world is filled with Pokemon. The combat can still be turn based.
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LusterSoldier
06/13/19 5:30:07 PM
#160:


TheCodeisBosco posted...
Game Freak isn't leveraging the "console factor" at all here.


Throughout Pokemon's history, Game Freak has always done baby steps in regard to improving the games from one generation to the next. I haven't seen a single generation that was a enormous leap over the previous generation. The graphics may look better here, but that's only because the 3DS was limited to a 240p resolution. There's still no sign of any voice acting yet, a feature that many RPGs have implemented more than 10 years ago. Pokemon already needs voice acting for the anime, so Game Freak can make use of the same voice actors for the anime to give us voice acting in the game.
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Grand Kirby
06/13/19 5:42:23 PM
#161:


LusterSoldier posted...
Game Freak can make use of the same voice actors for the anime to give us voice acting in the game.

Oh god no
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LusterSoldier
06/13/19 5:53:55 PM
#162:


Grand Kirby posted...
Oh god no


What do you have against voice acting?
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Team Rocket Elite
06/13/19 5:56:12 PM
#163:


I think the opposition was against using the anime voice actors not against voice acting in general.
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MC_XD
06/13/19 6:16:42 PM
#164:


Honestly I'd just be satisfied with more world building above all else.

There should be hardly any NPCs which exist exclusively for tutorials. NPCs should react to world events. There should be more evidence of how Pokemon impacted everyone's daily lives. More Pokemon (and people, for that matter) in the overworld in general. Make each city have its own little stories which you get involved in rather than just existing as shallow window dressing for the next gym and random bad guy grunt battle. I'd also really like to see how your Pokemon impact you, or at least more evidence of you bonding with them that isn't through weird minigames. Plot stuff.

It doesn't need to be transformed into some action RPG open world online MMO thing. In fact, making it open world would probably make all of the above harder, so I can't say I'd want that. It just needs more depth, life and heart upon the groundwork it already laid out.
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StealThisSheen
06/13/19 6:52:31 PM
#165:


MC_XD posted...
Honestly I'd just be satisfied with more world building above all else.

There should be hardly any NPCs which exist exclusively for tutorials. NPCs should react to world events. There should be more evidence of how Pokemon impacted everyone's daily lives. More Pokemon (and people, for that matter) in the overworld in general. Make each city have its own little stories which you get involved in rather than just existing as shallow window dressing for the next gym and random bad guy grunt battle. I'd also really like to see how your Pokemon impact you, or at least more evidence of you bonding with them that isn't through weird minigames. Plot stuff.

It doesn't need to be transformed into some action RPG open world online MMO thing. In fact, making it open world would probably make all of the above harder, so I can't say I'd want that. It just needs more depth, life and heart upon the groundwork it already laid out.


Now this I very much agree with
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The_Ctes
06/13/19 6:57:39 PM
#166:


I'm disappointed as well, even if I hate to admit it. The best argument is probably that it does not feel like we get anything in return really. It seems there will be less Pokemon in Sword and Shield than last gen had. On top of that they're apparently cutting Megas and Z-moves.
Dynamax and raid battles are some new features, but we always had some new features. The Switch is stronger than the 3DS. There needs to be something that makes up for it, it needs to feel worth it.

I also fear for what this does to competitive Pokemom.
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Grand Kirby
06/13/19 7:56:25 PM
#167:


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Drakeryn
06/13/19 8:00:35 PM
#168:


I'm actually okay with cutting Megas. A few were cool (Mega Slowbro so good) but most were like "uhh add more spikes I guess"
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Mewtwo59
06/13/19 8:13:51 PM
#169:


The bright side is that they realized that Mega Rayquaza was a mistake. Because I really want to know what they were thinking with that one.
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Team Rocket Elite
06/13/19 8:45:04 PM
#170:


Cover Legendaries aren't really meant to be that balanced most of them time and the balancing they do probably doesn't factor in fan formats like the Smogon ones. In the official VGC tournament format, Mega Rayquaza (when allowed) is a serious threat but it isn't the complete monster that it turned out to be in the Smogon Singles format.
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XIII_rocks
06/14/19 5:37:09 AM
#171:


Mega Rayquaza is absolutely phenomenal, I love it
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ZenOfThunder
06/14/19 8:29:14 AM
#172:


If they decide to include the entire original 150 I'm going to be pissed

I'm nostalgic for them as much as anybody else but I'm sick of seeing a good chunk of them. Give others the spotlight now that you're cutting the fat and forcing people to put aside their existing favorites. We're just going to see people with Gen 1 teams.
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hombad46
06/14/19 8:44:05 AM
#173:


ZenOfThunder posted...
If they decide to include the entire original 150 I'm going to be pissed

I'm nostalgic for them as much as anybody else but I'm sick of seeing a good chunk of them. Give others the spotlight now that you're cutting the fat and forcing people to put aside their existing favorites. We're just going to see people with Gen 1 teams.


Same. I'm sure they can put aside stuff like Drowzee or Farfetch'd or Tangela without upsetting too many people.
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neonreaper
06/14/19 8:52:53 AM
#174:


Is there going to be a Pikachu in this game or not
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charmander6000
06/14/19 10:35:21 AM
#175:


neonreaper posted...
Is there going to be a Pikachu in this game or not


It's name is Yamper

>_>
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swordz9
06/14/19 10:59:59 AM
#176:


Could be the fat squirrel we havent really seen yet. I wouldnt be surprised if it ends up another Pikachu clone
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Nanis23
06/14/19 11:13:09 AM
#177:


Pichu, Pikachu, Raichu, Ditto and probably Eevee and it's evolutions are pretty much a lock for any mainline Pokemon game forever
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CasanovaZelos
06/14/19 11:44:38 AM
#178:


I'm bored and started my own attempt at narrowing the series down to just 500...it's kind of fun, seeing what registers to me as little more than Pokedex fodder.
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ZenOfThunder
06/14/19 12:28:52 PM
#179:


Something tells me we're only going to get like 350 tops

Original 151
100 new ones
100 misc
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neonreaper
06/14/19 12:31:48 PM
#180:


Okay good, as long as I can catch Pikachu I will get this game. I don't trouble myself about Pokmon much, I've only ever played like 20 total hours outside of Pogo, but I want to play with my kids and I think they would have some expectations about this Pikachu they always see.
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swordz9
06/14/19 1:19:04 PM
#181:


I would be incredibly shocked if Pikachu isnt in. There will probably be a ton of Gen 1 pandering as usual lol
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mnkboy907
06/14/19 1:53:27 PM
#182:


The leak that's been right about everything so far only mentions Gen 1 Pokemon getting new forms because of course.
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swordz9
06/14/19 2:00:21 PM
#183:


Id love to see more stuff for Gen 5 Pokemon, but if you werent first youre apparently last to GameFreak. If theyre anything like the Alola ones were just gonna get more shit tier Gen 1 variations. So many of the Alola forms were bad looking
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charmander6000
06/14/19 2:02:03 PM
#184:


ZenOfThunder posted...
Something tells me we're only going to get like 350 tops

Original 151
100 new ones
100 misc


Kalos had 457, though I guess Alola had 302 before bumping it up to 403...

I'm going to go with 400 overall with around 75 new Pokemon (minus regional forms).
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Brayze_II
06/14/19 3:11:28 PM
#185:


I'm really hoping they have over 100 new pokes; this would soften the blow somewhat. It would make an apocalyptic mismanagement merely catastrophic!
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Nanis23
06/14/19 3:37:34 PM
#186:


swordz9 posted...
I would be incredibly shocked if Pikachu isnt in. There will probably be a ton of Gen 1 pandering as usual lol

Pikachu is literally the first Pokemon shown in Sword and Shield
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Team Rocket Elite
06/14/19 5:16:30 PM
#187:


Hopefully the fact that they already had to put the Gen 1 Pokemon into Let's Go means it won't be that hard to put all of them into Sword/Shield as well.
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Mewtwo59
06/14/19 5:31:48 PM
#188:


I'd be shocked if any Gen 1 Pokmon other than Mewtwo and the birds get cut. And I only give them a chance because X and Y are the only first games in a generation to have old legendaries in them.
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Zigzagoon
06/14/19 5:41:59 PM
#189:


Mewtwo59 posted...
I'd be shocked if any Gen 1 Pokmon other than Mewtwo and the birds get cut.

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Grand Kirby
06/14/19 6:19:53 PM
#190:


I would be so ticked off if literal shit like Muk got in over Flygon just because it's Gen 1.
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StealThisSheen
06/14/19 6:24:46 PM
#191:


Muk is better than Flygon sorry
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charmander6000
06/14/19 7:25:16 PM
#192:


Team Rocket Elite posted...
Hopefully the fact that they already had to put the Gen 1 Pokemon into Let's Go means it won't be that hard to put all of them into Sword/Shield as well.


That's true, all they need to do is add the (pre-)evolutions that appeared in later generations, that alone pushes things to around 180 Pokemon
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Team Rocket Elite
06/14/19 7:32:40 PM
#193:


They can cheat a bit and not put in the method to evolve some of the Pokemon. Like they don't need to put in Glaceon if there's no Ice Rock in the game.
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Mewtwo59
06/14/19 7:45:50 PM
#194:


Yeah, but that's an Eevee, so it's a lock.
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LusterSoldier
06/14/19 8:44:04 PM
#195:


Team Rocket Elite posted...
They can cheat a bit and not put in the method to evolve some of the Pokemon. Like they don't need to put in Glaceon if there's no Ice Rock in the game.


There's a snow covered area on the Galar map, so it's assumed there's an Ice Rock in the game to get Glaceon. I wouldn't expect Eevee or any of its evolutions to be absent from future games.
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mnkboy907
06/15/19 12:00:55 AM
#196:


Maybe this will finally be the time for them to retcon stuff and just make Eevee evolve with Leaf and Ice Stones. If it was ever going to happen, might as well be now.
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MawiIe
06/15/19 1:42:53 AM
#197:


if anything, they'll find a way to lock all eeveeloutions behind post game.
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LusterSoldier
06/15/19 1:44:41 AM
#198:


mnkboy907 posted...
Maybe this will finally be the time for them to retcon stuff and just make Eevee evolve with Leaf and Ice Stones. If it was ever going to happen, might as well be now.


Not just that, but Game Freak created way too many moves, items, and evolution methods that are relevant to a single Pokemon rather than reusing existing stuff. Someone commented about this major issue in this post:

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/pokemon-sword-shield-discussion-rd-15-11-2019.3647645/post-8154886
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Nanis23
06/15/19 1:51:14 AM
#199:


Team Rocket Elite posted...
They can cheat a bit and not put in the method to evolve some of the Pokemon.

OK wow that would be even worse
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Nanis23
06/15/19 1:57:13 AM
#200:


LusterSoldier posted...
mnkboy907 posted...
Maybe this will finally be the time for them to retcon stuff and just make Eevee evolve with Leaf and Ice Stones. If it was ever going to happen, might as well be now.


Not just that, but Game Freak created way too many moves, items, and evolution methods that are relevant to a single Pokemon rather than reusing existing stuff. Someone commented about this major issue in this post:

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/pokemon-sword-shield-discussion-rd-15-11-2019.3647645/post-8154886

I don't find any of those items or evolution mechanics too complicated...so I can't see this as an issue
In the past I thought how they are going to put all those items in the world, in gen 6 you had to hunt for Mega Stones, plates etc. But in Gen 7 they just put them on a shop and call it a day. This is also a way to cope with it
The evolution methods are just a single "if" formula, I am pretty sure they can code everything related to them in a single day
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MawiIe
06/15/19 1:59:51 AM
#201:


Silvally always bothered me, did they seriously have to make an entire new line of items instead of using plates, things that serve the literal exact same function? Megastones were also super obnoxious in their implementation and it always felt like they were creating more work for themselves for no reason
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