Board 8 > Pokemon Sword and Shield to not include all the Pokemon

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mnkboy907 posted...

Holy crap I made this in like 10 minutes and it has over 3000 upvotes.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/c34p5x/yyes_heres_my_id_now_if_youll_excuse_us_uh_i_mean/

Lmao nice. 24.5k upvotes now O.o

KyleKatayanagi posted...

mnkboy907 posted...

Holy crap I made this in like 10 minutes and it has over 3000 upvotes.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/c34p5x/yyes_heres_my_id_now_if_youll_excuse_us_uh_i_mean/

Lmao nice. 24.5k upvotes now O.o

my girlfriend was laughing at something on her computer and then sent me this.

you've made it
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If theres one thing I really hope they change its the breeding. It was always way too tedious. Takes too long even if you arent going for perfect IVs and stuff. Breeding certain moves and even just hatching the damn egg can take forever. Id like to see a massive overhaul to it, but its Pokemon so it will never happen

breeding is fine takes like 20 minutes to chain moves a great distance if you know what you're doing including hatching the egg
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Just about every game does something to speed up the competitive breeding process.
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you still have to go to the daycare center, have a free space in your party, take a pokemon out, then put a pokemon in, put the other pokemon in your box to free up room for eggs

when the whole thing could just be a two-space box that you move pokemon to in your pc.
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You don't have to free up room for eggs as you can send them directly to the PC when you get them now.
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Murphiroth posted...

You don't have to free up room for eggs as you can send them directly to the PC when you get them now.

..so you can pull them out of your pc to hatch them
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SantaRPidgey posted...

Murphiroth posted...

You don't have to free up room for eggs as you can send them directly to the PC when you get them now.

..so you can pull them out of your pc to hatch them

You don't make 60-90 eggs or more at a time before hatching?

The whole daycare person/PC depositing process takes less than like thirty seconds anyway, if you're going to the PC every batch you're doing it wrong.
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Murphiroth posted...

You don't make 60-90 eggs or more at a time before hatching?

Absolutely not. I don't want any more eggs than necessary to accomplish my goal. I don't want to get the baby I'm looking for on my 12th egg only to still have 48 more to hatch. Now if they gave us the ability to release eggs, then sure I'll change my tactics, but not as it is now.
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mnkboy907 posted...

Murphiroth posted...

You don't make 60-90 eggs or more at a time before hatching?

Absolutely not. I don't want any more eggs than necessary to accomplish my goal. I don't want to get the baby I'm looking for on my 12th egg only to still have 48 more to hatch. Now if they gave us the ability to release eggs, then sure I'll change my tactics, but not as it is now.

I mostly breed for shiny hunting so doing it in bulk is preferable for me.

I usually either wonder trade the excess away after hatching or put them into my wipe file on my other games via bank, then once the boxes are full there erase the file and restart.
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My two most wanted breeding changes are releasable eggs and a mass release option. Let me release an entire box at once.
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Murphiroth posted...

You don't make 60-90 eggs or more at a time before hatching?

The whole daycare person/PC depositing process takes less than like thirty seconds anyway, if you're going to the PC every batch you're doing it wrong.

No because Im productive? Process to put parents into daycare>hatch egg>exchange space of flame body pokemon>collect egg>loop until party is full>drop hatched pokemon into pc>collect egg>hatch is the most productive way to get a large amount of pokemon. And thirty seconds is a long time, if it took thirty seconds to get to an inventory screen, the game would be ruined. When I'm going to the daycare center hundreds of times per games, thousands of times per series, thats hours of my life answering "are you sure you want this pokemon back" when I could be dragging and dropping.
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They should just massively speed it up. Let me drop off 2 that can breed, let me pick whatever egg moves/parent moves its capable of learning that I want along with its nature and make it hatch after like 1-3 steps or something. Might be too fast for some, but for me thats something that would actually get me to use the breeding system regularly instead of viewing it as too tedious to be worth doing. Even with the improvements theyve made it still takes too long for my liking. Its not something I want to spend dozens of hours on because its the most boring thing in the game to me (so thank god its entirely optional)

Sorry but I can't take breeding complaints seriously anymore
We got TONS of QoL improvments over the years, with gen 6 and 7 making it braindead easy and fast
Breeding a perfect Pokemon doesn't take more than 20 minutes (by perfect I mean 5 IV because who the fuck uses a mixed attacker)
And if you think 20 minutes is too much, go play Showdown or something because you think working just a little to get a good Pokemon isn't worth it

I do support releasing eggs and mass release being options, yes, but it's not a big deal
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The fact that the daycare center still operates on branching Yes/No menus is absolutely idiotic. Such an obnoxiously poor UI.
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SantaRPidgey posted...

Murphiroth posted...

You don't make 60-90 eggs or more at a time before hatching?

The whole daycare person/PC depositing process takes less than like thirty seconds anyway, if you're going to the PC every batch you're doing it wrong.

No because Im productive? Process to put parents into daycare>hatch egg>exchange space of flame body pokemon>collect egg>loop until party is full>drop hatched pokemon into pc>collect egg>hatch is the most productive way to get a large amount of pokemon. And thirty seconds is a long time, if it took thirty seconds to get to an inventory screen, the game would be ruined. When I'm going to the daycare center hundreds of times per games, thousands of times per series, thats hours of my life answering "are you sure you want this pokemon back" when I could be dragging and dropping.

Nah it's way faster for me at least to do them in batches of 30/60 etc but you do you.

The less than thirty seconds time isn't a big deal at all.
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Murphiroth posted...

Nah it's way faster for me at least to do them in batches of 30/60 etc but you do you.

if youre not using the time between collecting eggs to hatch other eggs thats more time, its not debatable. You can only max out 5 eggs at a time because you need a flame body (you might need a flier too, depending on where the longest road is, or where the egg hatching zone is and whether a flier with flame body is even available in s/s) so you're still going back to the pc every 4 eggs anyway so its not like you can autopilot any easier with your method.
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SantaRPidgey posted...

because you need a flame body (you might need a flier too

Thankfully we have Volcarona and Talonflame for this.

...and hopefully we still do.
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You havent needed a flying Flame Body in a while. X/Y had a wide open road that the daycare sat on and Sun/Moon did away with HMs entirely, which I believe Sword/Shield is continuing.
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Nanis23 posted...

Sorry but I can't take breeding complaints seriously anymore
We got TONS of QoL improvments over the years, with gen 6 and 7 making it braindead easy and fast
Breeding a perfect Pokemon doesn't take more than 20 minutes (by perfect I mean 5 IV because who the fuck uses a mixed attacker)
And if you think 20 minutes is too much, go play Showdown or something because you think working just a little to get a good Pokemon isn't worth it

I do support releasing eggs and mass release being options, yes, but it's not a big deal

Showdown is definitely significantly better if you just want to play Comp Pokemon. The in-game breeding is virtually useless really because theres basically nothing in the games that would even make you need that perfectly created Pokemon outside of doing IRL matches with friends or in an official competition or something. If they made everything about as instant as Showdown it certainly wouldnt be a loss for anyone as everyone who even uses breeding would save themselves a lot of time that could be spent on literally anything else more enjoyable

JonThePenguin posted...

You havent needed a flying Flame Body in a while. X/Y had a wide open road that the daycare sat on and Sun/Moon did away with HMs entirely, which I believe Sword/Shield is continuing.

Definitely seems that way, since surf is replaced by a combination of the bike and Rotom Phone
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JonThePenguin posted...

You havent needed a flying Flame Body in a while. X/Y had a wide open road that the daycare sat on and Sun/Moon did away with HMs entirely, which I believe Sword/Shield is continuing.

It's not like Gamefreak would remove something that's been in previous games...
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I just can't bring myself to care about this. When I first played Pokemon Red, I was locked out of ever getting Mew because I didn't live in the right places, and more or less locked out of the Blue exclusives due to not knowing enough people who played. Except that I could pay for another Gameboy and a copy of Blue to fix that...! Which is why this series has has released in two versions. Every Pokemon being included in the coding has always just been a way for them to try to get you to spend more money so you can do the out of game stuff needed to get them all. I never let that influence me, so there's never been a time where every Pokemon was actually available to me anyway. Not much has changed. If anything, I think I like that the possibility exists that Game Freak will use this as an excuse to not be as nostalgia heavy going forward. I think the only way I'll be annoyed is if it turns out every 1st gen Pokemon is included.
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JonThePenguin posted...

You havent needed a flying Flame Body in a while. X/Y had a wide open road that the daycare sat on and Sun/Moon did away with HMs entirely, which I believe Sword/Shield is continuing.

Every game puts the day care on a long open road, except FRLG and SM. And SM had the Tauros trick so it wasn't a big deal.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

This is a bad decision but the Pokemon fanbases reaction to this has been an abomination.

Prior to this event, at least the previous questionable decisions made by Game Freak didn't cause them to receive hate comments, get harassed by other people, or have Pokemon related videos getting dislike bombed. Some people think the reaction was the product of several years of anger building up against Game Freak (with earlier Pokemon games) and all it took was a game design decision of megaton proportions to bring that anger to a boiling point.

This event was really the first time the fanbase actually showed real hate towards Game Freak (with some death threats included) and pretty much every tweet made by the Pokemon Twitter accounts or Junichi Masuda's Twitter account were filled with hate comments. And the gameplay footage video from the Pokemon Sword/Shield Treehouse Live segment is getting dislike bombed, as seen here -

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Putting aside some extreme cases like the death threats, I refuse to admit our reaction was "an abomination"
There isn't a single fanbase that was willing to eat shit so much for years and be quiet about it like the Pokemon fanbase
We were willing to let everything slide, every single feature removed, we might have complained a little but nothing made people lose their heads, even though some of the things were really annoying

No Battle Frontier, no following Pokemon, no post game, shitty animations (like the Captain using Cut in Let's Go), Let's Go having only 153 Pokemon, ORAS having no new Mega besides those confirmed before release, no new Alola forms in USUM, spoiling games before they even come out etc etc etc
We are taking a lot of shit and we are ok with this
In fact I don't even care about the infamous "Wild Area Tree" that people are making fun about, I think Sword and Shield looks fine in some places
But removing all the Pokemon is killing the entire staple of the main games, a meltdown is very much needed and expected

I want to see YOUR reaction if in the next Smash game it will be confirmed at least half of the characters are not making a return, and while a lot of them are subpar trash, a lot of fan-favorites will get "snapped" as well
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Nanis23 posted...

I want to see YOUR reaction if in the next Smash game it will be confirmed at least half of the characters are not making a return, and while a lot of them are subpar trash, a lot of fan-favorites will get "snapped" as well

I mean... this WILL happen if there's ever a new smash game after ultimate soooo
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I think when you know the actual main reason for the dex cut (they ran out of time/budget due to swsh being made by the b-team of an already understaffed dev and something had to give) it's pretty understandable, but since they ofc can't actually admit to that they ended up giving people the wrong impression (that "it's for game balance/room for more animations" were the entire reasoning for the change, rather than just some of the factors involved)
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Zyxyz0 posted...

I think when you know the actual main reason for the dex cut (they ran out of time/budget due to swsh being made by the b-team of an already understaffed dev and something had to give) it's pretty understandable, but since they ofc can't actually admit to that they ended up giving people the wrong impression (that "it's for game balance/room for more animations" were the entire reasoning for the change, rather than just some of the factors involved)

Wait, is it true S/S is being made by the b-team??
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Nanis23 posted...

I want to see YOUR reaction if in the next Smash game it will be confirmed at least half of the characters are not making a return, and while a lot of them are subpar trash, a lot of fan-favorites will get "snapped" as well

This is both an expected and desirable outcome
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Zyxyz0 posted...

I think when you know the actual main reason for the dex cut (they ran out of time/budget due to swsh being made by the b-team of an already understaffed dev and something had to give) it's pretty understandable

Oh no the poor extremely profitable company that brings in triple AAA sales with very little resources didn't have enough staff over the last 3 years?? I've misjudged them : (
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Nanis23 posted...

I want to see YOUR reaction if in the next Smash game it will be confirmed at least half of the characters are not making a return, and while a lot of them are subpar trash, a lot of fan-favorites will get "snapped" as well

But, this is likely to happen anyway. Sakurai has made it clear that bringing everyone back is not the best use of resources and is also near impossible because of the copyright information involved with every character and every company connected to the characters; that also includes the rights for the music and other affiliated properties. Smash has nearly 80 fighters by the end of the DLC, but IF and that's a big IF, there's another Smash game it's 99 percent likely that the roster gets gutted. How much is unknown, but it is still an act expected.

Sure, all the other companies involved can give Sakurai full privilege with whatever he needs and smooth the process, but it still ends up being an uphill battle that he himself has already noted is NOT the best approach.
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i hope if they do a new smash it's like a soft reboot and they de-clone a lot of characters. i don't mind if they pare down the roster if it means Toon Link can finally get a moveset based on WW.
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ZenOfThunder posted...

i hope if they do a new smash it's like a soft reboot and they de-clone a lot of characters. i don't mind if they pare down the roster if it means Toon Link can finally get a moveset based on WW.

Yeah I'll accept a smaller roster if they rework a lot of characters to more closely match their series/game they're from. Like Ganondorf being the most obvious example.
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i can honestly imagine sakurai going back to the core 8 and working a ton of gimmicks into them, like giving Link breakable weapons and giving Samus a limited supply of super missiles

i'm not saying this is a good idea but I legit see this as a possibility
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#BuffThePuff
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I defend time-limited lack of national dex. Makes the online culture better! I think Gamefreak will pull an XY and release national dex after a few months.

3DSRage posted...

I defend time-limited lack of national dex. Makes the online culture better! I think Gamefreak will pull an XY and release national dex after a few months.

Pokemon Home is already not coming out alongside SwSh. If the situation was the same as with XY/Bank, they would just say so, especially after all this backlash.
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Maybe, but you don't know what they are allocating resources to, or anything. They might just take this chance to re-release old Pokemon as new again, or release them in other ways.

I don't really care since I have a living national dex in pokebank. I don't need to put them all in sw/sh just to fill a national dex... Give me a national dex in PoHome and I'll be more than happy. I'll collect sw/sh dex without transfer for the fun and longevity of the game.

Good logic all-around imo

https://www.pokemon.com/us/a-message-for-pokemon-video-game-fans/
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If they aren't going to have anything positive to say about the situation, they should really just ignore it. A statement like this is only going to make people more upset and prolong the internet outrage.
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"We hear you. We just don't care"
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What a pointless statement lol.
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I think they said it because there are a lot of idiots out there going "This means if the Pokemon isn't in Sword/Shield it'll never be in a game again!!1one"
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Every Pokmon is important to us, but some are more important than others.
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well obviously

I dont think anyone was under the illusion that they care about Sentret as much as Charizard
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Yeah but Sentret is SOMEBODY's favorite Pokemon and why is it okay to shit on them?
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its not like Sentret hasnt already been shit on plenty through lack of attention. theres no Mega Furrett or spiky-eared luchador version or anything, and I dont think its been catchable in like half of the games since its debut

weird Sentret fan should be used to being a third class citizen by now
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