Board 8 > Pokemon Sword and Shield to not include all the Pokemon

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Ugh, this is pretty bad. I think it's safe to say that Pokemon's glory days are behind it at this point. Gen 7 had a lot of problems and now Gen 8 is shaping up to be even worse.
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OrangeCrush980 posted...

Ugh, this is pretty bad. I think it's safe to say that Pokemon's glory days are behind it at this point. Gen 7 had a lot of problems and now Gen 8 is shaping up to be even worse.

On the other hand, at least we're getting our first real mainline games on a console.

Anyone who is currently on the fence about buying these games should just wait for the improved version to come out and buy that instead. Don't get burned by getting the first set of games from this generation, especially if they end up disappointing you.

The $60 price tag only farther increases your decision to potentially hold off on getting the first set of games. Want to get either Sword/Shield and the improved version? That'll cost you $120. In the past, you only had to drop $80 if you bought one game from the first set of games and the improved version later on.
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mnkboy907 posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

That said the more I think about it, if this means everybody you battle won't have the same three legendaries on their team then I'm sorta okay with this temporarily

Of course it'll still be that, only with different legendaries now.

Yeah but a lot of legendaries kinda suck

It's gotta be better than battling a million people in a row with Rayquaza and Landorus or whatever
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on a more positive note have you all seen the electric corgi named Yapper

it's quite adorable
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Yamper

He is a good chubbo doggo
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oh Yamper, whoops yea that
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StealThisSheen posted...

mnkboy907 posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

That said the more I think about it, if this means everybody you battle won't have the same three legendaries on their team then I'm sorta okay with this temporarily

Of course it'll still be that, only with different legendaries now.

Yeah but a lot of legendaries kinda suck

It's gotta be better than battling a million people in a row with Rayquaza and Landorus or whatever

You're still going to see that, but with the wolves and whatever decent sub legends we get this gen. They can't all be bad, especially if their biggest competion isn't in the game.
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The difference is that the wolves probably wont even be that good so it wont be If you arent using these pokes then I hope you enjoy losing
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Wasn't this basically an inevitability? Eventually, they were going to run into the issue where both the hardware got advanced enough that they wanted dozens of animations per Pokemon and the Pokedex begins to reach astronomical levels, and it just isn't feasible to keep both.

I'm kinda surprised they made it this long tbqh.
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There's no way even 2000 pokemon is too much for today's hardware.

Lots of them probably use the same skeletons and no one would complain about reused animations for similar lookomg pokes.
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Zigzagoon posted...

The difference is that the wolves probably wont even be that good so it wont be If you arent using these pokes then I hope you enjoy losing

They're still going to have the same 680 BST all cover legends have. And unless most of the ubers are in the dex, they'll have a massive stat advantage over everything. The only cover legend who isn't an Uber is Kyurem Black, who is a top example of how not to design a Pokmon, so I think it's safe to say the wolves will be really good.
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Oh totally Im sure they will be good, but competitively speaking theres a TON of legendaries that arent Uber viable or even OU status
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pjbasis posted...

There's no way even 2000 pokemon is too much for today's hardware.

Lots of them probably use the same skeletons and no one would complain about reused animations for similar lookomg pokes.

Aren't these models basically the same as the ones used in the 3DS games? Just higher quality? I'm not saying it still wouldn't be a lot of work, but it seems feasible.
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MrSmartGuy posted...

Wasn't this basically an inevitability? Eventually, they were going to run into the issue where both the hardware got advanced enough that they wanted dozens of animations per Pokemon and the Pokedex begins to reach astronomical levels, and it just isn't feasible to keep both.

I'm kinda surprised they made it this long tbqh.

I kinda wanted them to get to 1000 and then essentially stop making new ones.
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Why would anyone waste money on both copies anyway??
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Waluigi1 posted...

Why would anyone waste money on both copies anyway??

Be able to get both version exclusives/all the starters to play through on my first run. I was extremely pumped to play through it two times as well.

Not anymore.
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MrSmartGuy posted...

Eventually, they were going to run into the issue where both the hardware got advanced enough that they wanted dozens of animations per Pokemon and the Pokedex begins to reach astronomical levels, and it just isn't feasible to keep both.

sounds like it's time to go retro!!
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ExThaNemesis posted...

Be able to get both version exclusives/all the starters to play through on my first run. I was extremely pumped to play through it two times as well.

And it's no longer necessary to get both versions to have 2 save files without deleting your first save file to start a new game. Even though you're still limited to one save file for each user profile on your Switch, you can create a second user profile to get a second save file. This actually worked for Let's Go, so it's assumed that you can do it for Sword/Shield too.
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LusterSoldier posted...

ExThaNemesis posted...

Be able to get both version exclusives/all the starters to play through on my first run. I was extremely pumped to play through it two times as well.

And it's no longer necessary to get both versions to have 2 save files without deleting your first save file to start a new game. Even though you're still limited to one save file for each user profile on your Switch, you can create a second user profile to get a second save file. This actually worked for Let's Go, so it's assumed that you can do it for Sword/Shield too.

this is actually really useful to know, thanks luster

A serious thanks for that luster, on my board 8?

I've never once caught a pokemon in a Pokmon game that wasn't from the current gen unless I was forced to.

If I wanted an old Pokmon I'd play an old game.

But hey that's just me. As far as I'm concerned the new pokemon are the only reasons new entries in this series even exist.
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i usually do an initial run of just new pokemon. For the third game in a gen i'll mix in old favorites with new favorites I didn't get to use initially.
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Paratroopa1 posted...

LusterSoldier posted...

ExThaNemesis posted...

Be able to get both version exclusives/all the starters to play through on my first run. I was extremely pumped to play through it two times as well.

And it's no longer necessary to get both versions to have 2 save files without deleting your first save file to start a new game. Even though you're still limited to one save file for each user profile on your Switch, you can create a second user profile to get a second save file. This actually worked for Let's Go, so it's assumed that you can do it for Sword/Shield too.

this is actually really useful to know, thanks luster

Nrrr posted...

A serious thanks for that luster, on my board 8?

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yeah one of my favorite things to do is breed weird and rare pokemon not found in the main game and do a playthrough with them.
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Actually now that I think of it, with multiple save files this is now the time that I actually would possibly want to replay with older Pokemon again, so fuck.
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This obviously sucks for a lot of people, but honestly it sounds like good news to me. One of the biggest issues with Pokemon has been the incredible amount of bloat with an incredible lack of polish. Pare it down to a solid 200 (or whatever number they choose) and make them all good and I'll definitely take that over the alternative.
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Kenri posted...

This obviously sucks for a lot of people, but honestly it sounds like good news to me. One of the biggest issues with Pokemon has been the incredible amount of bloat with an incredible lack of polish. Pare it down to a solid 200 (or whatever number they choose) and make them all good and I'll definitely take that over the alternative.

What polish
If you really believe this will make them improve anything then you are naive
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MetalmindStats posted...

Ruby and Sapphire started out just like Sword and Shield are going to, with only the Pokmon in their regional dex. The missing ones weren't made available until FireRed and LeafGreen, or in some cases Emerald.

At least Ruby/Sapphire had every single Pokemon up to that point programmed into the game, even if some of them couldn't be obtained normally due to Ruby/Sapphire being cut off from Gold/Silver/Crystal. Prior to FireRed/LeafGreen, you had to hack the unavailable Pokemon into your game that couldn't be obtained through normal means.

What I'm hearing for these games is that some Pokemon will be completely absent from the game, nowhere to be found in the game code. I suspect the Dynamax mechanic could have something to do with this, as Game Freak would have to create Dynamax versions of every single Pokemon. This may have resulted in cutting some Pokemon because they were running out of time to work on the games.
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LusterSoldier posted...

MetalmindStats posted...

Ruby and Sapphire started out just like Sword and Shield are going to, with only the Pokmon in their regional dex. The missing ones weren't made available until FireRed and LeafGreen, or in some cases Emerald.

At least Ruby/Sapphire had every single Pokemon up to that point programmed into the game, even if some of them couldn't be obtained normally due to Ruby/Sapphire being cut off from Gold/Silver/Crystal. Prior to FireRed/LeafGreen, you had to hack the unavailable Pokemon into your game that couldn't be obtained through normal means.

What I'm hearing for these games is that some Pokemon will be completely absent from the game, nowhere to be found in the game code. I suspect the Dynamax mechanic could have something to do with this, as Game Freak would have to create Dynamax versions of every single Pokemon. This may have resulted in cutting some Pokemon because they were running out of time to work on the games.

Dynamax version...what?
You mean changing the values of a few integers? This is like...two days work..at max..
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Nanis23 posted...

Dynamax version...what?
You mean changing the values of a few integers? This is like...two days work..at max..

I don't know anything about 3D modeling, so I have no idea if the game engine is capable of taking the regular model and applying some kind of "on the fly adjustment" to enlarge the model when a Pokemon goes Dynamax or if they would have to create totally new models for the Dynamax form of each Pokemon.
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Kenri posted...

This obviously sucks for a lot of people, but honestly it sounds like good news to me. One of the biggest issues with Pokemon has been the incredible amount of bloat with an incredible lack of polish. Pare it down to a solid 200 (or whatever number they choose) and make them all good and I'll definitely take that over the alternative.

you're talking about the company that just flexed about how there's a free moving camera in one place in the game, right?
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This is weird and bizarre and GameFreak is being lazy here, but it isnt the literal end of Pokmon forever like half the Internet seems to act like it is.
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Yes it is. RIOT IN THE STREETS!!!

<.<
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I feel like people are making a LOT of assumptions about this.
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Hbthebattle posted...

This is weird and bizarre and GameFreak is being lazy here, but it isnt the literal end of Pokmon forever like half the Internet seems to act like it is.

It's the beginning of it
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Theyll probably add it later, and in the meantime we can enjoy a Pokemon without every pvp match being perfect Pokes people have been training for years.
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I don't know I'm just so like... devastated, really. Was looking forward to having some of my best Pokemon from previous gens over onto the console eventually.

This decision like completely wrecks my excitement for these games in one fell swoop. I couldn't be more disappointed with GameFreak.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Theyll probably add it later,

Like they added ORAS Megas to XY and Battle Frontier to ORAS
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https://twitter.com/JoeMerrick/status/1138673669973192704
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Collective policy shift. Don't expect every single pokemon in a pokemon game in the future. Future games will have pokemon dependent on how they fit the adventure you meant to have.
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LusterSoldier posted...

https://twitter.com/JoeMerrick/status/1138673669973192704

I disagree. They can fix this. They just don't want to
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_PandaMaster_ posted...

Collective policy shift. Don't expect every single pokemon in a pokemon game in the future. Future games will have pokemon dependent on how they fit the adventure you meant to have.

I don't expect all Pokemon available and catchable in any one game, there are too many. I do expect to be able to bring through ones I've caught from older games and use them. I apparently can't do this?
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ExThaNemesis posted...

Literally nobody asked for the idiotic Dynamax thing if they had just left gameplay as it is and included all of the Pokemon it would've been so much better. Smh.

Dynamax doesn't require you to model entirely new models. You just render your current model bigger on screen. The difference is development time is most likely several thousand hours.

Bane_Of_Despair posted...

sucks for people that care about that but I really don't, I like trying out new pokes

I'll say yea, more is always better obviously but I'm not torn up about it

I mean I think you arent quite getting it.

For the casual player this is whatever. But for your shiny hunters, for your people who have plugged tons of hours into breeding competitive teams and collecting all the set pieces that make that possible this is a real body blow.

Its mind boggling to me that they would do this while still trying to push Pokemon as an esport.
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XIII_rocks posted...

_PandaMaster_ posted...

Collective policy shift. Don't expect every single pokemon in a pokemon game in the future. Future games will have pokemon dependent on how they fit the adventure you meant to have.

I don't expect all Pokemon available and catchable in any one game, there are too many. I do expect to be able to bring through ones I've caught from older games and use them. I apparently can't do this?

I think at some point this will happen, yeah. The policy sounds more like "We're not going to model any more Pokemon than we have to per game," but if the models already exist, then there's no reason they wouldn't put them in. I think it'll just take time to build up, and then any time they switch to a new aesthetic/graphics engine/whatever, they'd be starting from scratch.
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Eddv posted...

Bane_Of_Despair posted...

sucks for people that care about that but I really don't, I like trying out new pokes

I'll say yea, more is always better obviously but I'm not torn up about it

I mean I think you arent quite getting it.

For the casual player this is whatever. But for your shiny hunters, for your people who have plugged tons of hours into breeding competitive teams and collecting all the set pieces that make that possible this is a real body blow.

Its mind boggling to me that they would do this while still trying to push Pokemon as an esport.

To be fair, this changes absolutely nothing for shiny hunters since you couldn't shiny hunt for Pokemon that weren't in the region dex, anyway.

And as for the esport comment, things like fighting games never keep the same rosters, FPS games often don't keep the same guns, and so on, so esport players had to adapt to things like that in pretty much every game but Pokemon before this, anyway, so it's not really ruining anything there, either.

It's a blow to people that like to use teams of random old Pokemon, and a blow to casual battlers that refuse to change their teams up, and so on.

Basically, it's one big "that sucks" and "that's stupid," but I wouldn't say it's actively ruining anything for competitive battlers or shiny hunters since not much really changes for them. The former has to adapt a little bit if some of their premade team can't be transferred over, but that's kinda expected, anyway, as the metagame changes. And nothing changes about shiny hunting.
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Yeah but you could still HAVE them.
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_PandaMaster_ posted...

Collective policy shift. Don't expect every single pokemon in a pokemon game in the future. Future games will have pokemon dependent on how they fit the adventure you meant to have.

Yeah this is kind of indefensible.
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As a shiny hunter this doesn't really bother me in terms of shiny hunting. I'll still be able to do my thing in US/UM for old shinies and in S/S for new shinies.

It's still lame that I won't be able to drop my living dex in for instant completion of all old Pokemon. I guess it doesn't super matter though as once I do that the living dex would go right back into Bank/Home.

Still hoping they'll either listen to the very vocal negative outcry and change it or patch it later.
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That sucks.
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