Board 8 > Final Fantasy Record Keeper Topic 38: Remember when Gilgamesh was S tier?

(+) Yeah! (+)

Plan for Meltdown. Get Terra up, throw her AOSB at it. Get Alphy up. Get Rapha up.

Should take care of it.
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Random question

Most people generally say "don't put Ace Striker on your DPS" but I realize that most people who play this game at a high level generally use Entrust strategies to just make their main DPS spam the hell out of soul breaks.

I don't like that play method generally and have been doing well enough at avoiding it-- but assuming no Entrust does that advice tend to change or not? +30% damage seems like a lot to give up but getting soul breaks off a bit quicker matters.
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Dr. Mogs/MM can be better than damage. ace striker, not really. only if it makes the difference between whether you can fire off an infused AOSB or not. or perhaps for characters with IC3 LM2.

especially because physical characters have 40% RMs.
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Well you'd generally want the 30% RMs over the 40% RMs because those affect soul breaks too right? I feel like +30% on everything would outweigh the additional +10% from the ability school.
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i mean it depends on the characters and the fight. Orlandu in an earth-weak fight? i'm using 40% for sure. Yuffie in earth or dark weak? same.

i could see some physical characters with no OSB, AOSB, or starts-with-infusion being better with 40% even if the element of their SB matches the abilities they're using. though with what i have, i usually only end up using the 40%s for characters with bad/no SB in CMs.
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Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah I use the 40% Ninja pretty often with Yuffie (even on water her Soul Breaks seem to be a low enough portion of her damage that the 10% is probably better since I just have her Ultra) but if I have good soul breaks I'm usually using the 30%. Was just making sure the 40% wasn't affecting Soul Breaks in some way I was not aware of
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Lopen posted...

Most people generally say "don't put Ace Striker on your DPS" but I realize that most people who play this game at a high level generally use Entrust strategies to just make their main DPS spam the hell out of soul breaks.

Actually these day most people entrust Relm/Aphmau for their healing and instant cast party buff. The soul break spam only really applies to a few characters like Tidus, Orlandeau, Lightning and Terra. Also if you're using a chain it's better to use Gathering Storm on your DPS than damage buffs since the quicker cast times will build the chain faster and make up for the damage loss.

Looks like the Summer Fest is coming in mid June, earlier than expected. Next order of weekly events is Ignis, FF1 Fighter Wardrobe Record and Barbarbicca.
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Oh right Gathering Storm was the other one I was gonna ask about I just forgot. That's good to know in any case.

Glad we're getting FF1 Fighter Wardrobe Record in a timely fashion although I kinda need more than his Burst to consider using him seriously. Wouldn't mind getting his Holy Chain at some point though. Kinda more appealing than Ramza's in some ways for me at least.
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So, from this conversation I couldn't quite figure out....

Should I use the 30% or 40% ones?

Lol

SSJSephirothGokuX123 posted...

Looks like the Summer Fest is coming in mid June, earlier than expected. Next order of weekly events is Ignis, FF1 Fighter Wardrobe Record and Barbarbicca.

I saw that, but it's not really "mid June"... Realms on Parade starts June 9, but aside from that the real fest starts June 24 which is pretty much exactly when expected.

I use Ace Striker on Lightning because she already has fast actions (from her USB) and she hits the damage cap (because of en-element plus chain). If you don't meet both those criteria then you're better off with Gathering Storm or damage boost RM. But there are cases where Ace Striker makes sense.
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30% if a significant amount of your character's damage is coming from the soul breaks themselves 40% otherwise

If you're in doubt whether the damage from the soulbreaks is significant or not the answer is probably 30%
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UInstinctGogeta posted...

So, from this conversation I couldn't quite figure out....

Should I use the 30% or 40% ones?

Lol

My guideline is use 40% if most of your damage is coming from abilities (ninjas), use 30% if soul breaks are contributing a significant amount to your damage.
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in general, 30%, unless very little of that character's damage comes from SBs. and even then, with someone like, say, the typical spellblade legend dive being +30% spellblade damage, 40% spellblade damage additive with that is virtually identical to 30% multiplicative, so may as well use the 30%.
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Xuxon posted...

in general, 30%, unless very little of that character's damage comes from SBs. and even then, with someone like, say, the typical spellblade legend dive being +30% spellblade damage, 40% spellblade damage additive with that is virtually identical to 30% multiplicative, so may as well use the 30%.

How can I know the difference between 30 and 40? Don't they both just say "much more"?

Thx in advance

Ability type (Monk, Ninja, etc) boosts start at 20% and count up to 40% so "Much More" for them is 40%

Everything else starts at 10% and counts up to 30% so "Much More" for them is 30%
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Lopen posted...

Ability type (Monk, Ninja, etc) boosts start at 20% and count up to 40% so "Much More" for them is 40%

Everything else starts at 10% and counts up to 30% so "Much More" for them is 30%

So elemental and weapon are both 30?

Here is a question.

Say I had Beatrix using only her hola Sabre ability.

Equipped with a sword.

Functionally the damage output would be identical whether it was much more sword damage or much more Holy damage right?

I believe it would be close to identical. I believe it depends on what boosts you've unlocked through her record spheres.

Theory being that damage buffs of the same type have slight diminishing returns. So if you were min maxing you'd want to equip whichever buff is present less often in her sphere. So if she has more holy damage boosts in her spheres you'd want sword and if she has more sword damage boosts you'd want holy.

I just pick random +30%s though because it hardly matters.

Correct me if I'm wrong though.
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I don't like that play method generally and have been doing well enough at avoiding it-- but assuming no Entrust does that advice tend to change or not? +30% damage seems like a lot to give up but getting soul breaks off a bit quicker matters.

Short answer: no.

Long answer: If you're getting some kind of utility out of your Soul Break, like the front row party quick cast of Marche USB, or if you're trying to squeak a SB cast before some arbitrary point, like getting off both both your En-Element and your AOSB before the Magicite timer reaches 30s, then it may be worth going for a +SB RM instead of a +Dmg RM. But the general rule remains, DPS characters should have either DPS RMs or (for some setups) Thunder God.

Should I use the 30% or 40% ones?

I think the rule of thumb here is "chases should take +40% chase damage, others should take +30% weapon damage" but I haven't run any serious numbers.

Functionally the damage output would be identical whether it was much more sword damage or much more Holy damage right?

If your Beatrix has no other sword or Holy buffs, then yes. In practice, +sword will be better than +holy, because it's much easier for Beatrix to get +holy damage (weapon, armor, magicite) than +sword damage (a pittance from her record dive). Going from Sword Damage x1.03 to Sword Damage x1.33 is a bigger deal than going from Holy Damage x1.2 to Holy Damage x1.5.
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Lopen posted...

I believe it would be close to identical. I believe it depends on what boosts you've unlocked through her record spheres.

Theory being that damage buffs of the same type have slight diminishing returns. So if you were min maxing you'd want to equip whichever buff is present less often in her sphere. So if she has more holy damage boosts in her spheres you'd want sword and if she has more sword damage boosts you'd want holy.

I just pick random +30%s though because it hardly matters.

Correct me if I'm wrong though.

This is the fucking most complex phone game I've ever heard of....

I STRUGGLE to think of an actual FF game that had this much crazy crap and nuance...

Tactics maybe?

XII if you were creating a god gambit?

MalcolmMasher posted...

because it's much easier for Beatrix to get +holy damage (weapon, armor, magicite) than +sword damage (a pittance from her record dive)

... oh

I never realized that the boosts from Armor/Weapons and Magicite interacted that way

Seems like the Weapon boosts would almost always be the strongest overall with that in mind.
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Upon some research, it looks like I wasn't quite right:

https://www.reddit.com/r/FFRecordKeeper/comments/7utpqb/guide_all_about_offensive_boost/

Elemental buffs from Record Materia, Record Dive, Legend Materia, and Legend Dive are their own step.

Elemental buffs from equipment, En-Element, "one of the attack's types matches the type of the current chain", and Magicite in-battle effects are their own step. .

Elemental buffs from "one of the attack's types matches the type of the current chain, which is at X%" are their own step. (Yes, chains give two boosts, one fixed and one scaling.)

Elemental buffs from Magicite passives are also their own step.

So, returning to Beatrix. Since we're talking about RM choice, we can ignore everything except Record Materia, Record Dive, Legend Materia, and Legend Dive.

If you don't have Beatrix dived, she's at 0% for holy and sword, so it doesn't matter.
If you do her Record Dive, she's at 0% holy and 3% sword, so +holy is better.
If you also do her Legend Dive, it looks like she gets 9% holy (19% with LM1) but sword is still 3%, so +sword is better.

...If you don't want to have to bother working that out every time, and you're going to be hitting an elemental weakness constantly, just set Tyro's "+30% damage against weakness" RM. That effect gets applied separately from element/weapon/school boosts, and very few characters get "+dmg against weakness" in their record/legend dives, so it's ideal for most characters - including a fully dived Beatrix.
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Ah okay yeah that's how I thought it worked. So I was only slightly screwing myself out of damage by not paying attention

Though I do tend to lean weapon type over element which I believe if they're dived is generally correct
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2/11

Celes USB
Sabin LM
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First The Onion Knight Rises, now Strike Back at the Empire.

I probably missed a few others, but I sure like it when these event names are subtle movie references.
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200 mythril
got everything for Celes
Edgar USB
Locke USB
Locke LMR
Mog BSB

pretty great. just missing Edgar LMR and Locke AOSB basically.
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I realize that I don't pull for FFVI all that often despite it being my 2nd favorite FF game, so here I go...

3/11

Sabin LM
Celes LM
Edgar LM

Talk about a giant whelp.
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100 mythril
Celes USB
Locke glint
Edgar bsb
Edgar LM

Celes USB please me and I like Edgar. Just seemed to be an ok banner to burn 100-150 mythril as it featured a lot of characters I like. Tempted to go one more.
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One more. 2/11

... 2 edgar USBs. Fine I love edgar so I will take it but come on
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Saved up for a few months for this banner. My Locke is one of the finest specimens you will ever see and this banner was right up his alley.

100 Gem - Locke AOSB (Wow, great start!)
50 Mythril - Sabin LMR (Damn...)
50 Mythril - Sabin LMR (WTF, again?)
50 Mythril - Celes LMR (Dupe), Locke LMR (Well, I at least grabbed the LMR that's eluded me for ages.)
50 Mythril - Locke Glint (I'll take it.)

30 Mythril left over. Going to try to scramble to 50 for a shot at Locke's USB2.
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100 GEMMED EDGAR USB

AWESOME.

DO I DRAW MORE OR NOT l DON'T KNOW!
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I kinda feel like I should at least give this one draw. I like almost all of the relics on this, and I want that Edgar LMR almost as much as I wanted his Ultra. Celes's Ultra would also be great to get and yeah all the characters on this are characters I use (well I don't use Celes but I would if I got her Ultra).

But man it's really tough because that was the grand prize for me by far. I need to look into when/if other relics on this come back.
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Hmmm

So looks like the Celes relics I would want come back on an even better banner for the Spring Fest (or whatever our equivalent will be) in like 5 months, and I don't need her now.
Locke is already strong with just his chain and kinda low priority anyway
Mog's Burst would be kinda cool to have but it reappears a ton and isn't exactly moving the needle either way
Most of the rest is pretty low priority honestly, though again, wouldn't mind having it

One pull probably doesn't hurt, and getting Edgar's Legend Materia saves me from picking it on a later LMR selection but I dunno man. I think he'll be awesome just by diving him with the USB and I think I can probably just wait for his LMR here?
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Anyone watch the production letter?
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I am watching it now as backround noise. I'll share anything I found interesting.
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Havent watched it myself but I found a summary on Reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/FFRecordKeeper/comments/8ls1ty/annotated_summary_of_producers_video/

Part 1: Answering FB Q&A

Not actively working towards more collabs, but they seem encouraged by KH collab enthusiasm

Realm, nightmare, mote and magicite dungeons half price from June 19 to July 18

Would like to improve communication with international players. Answer is non-committal, just saying they enjoyed talking to some international players when producer went to Kuwait.

Ignis will join the game 31 May (we already knew this!).

Elarra is recruitable in Record Dungeons and she is a healer (we knew that too!)

Lots more opportunities to get motes:

FF6 Event may 24 gives more motes (duh)

Mid June Fest is called Summer Sun Festival 2018 (will discuss more later). Will have 4 and 5 star motes as login bonuses

The surprise item draw that global got on Black Friday may be coming back but if it does, it will be only for a limited time.

Main way they will continue to communicate with players is how theyve always done by tweaking things in game.[...]

Part 2: Record Dungeons

Arrives May 30th. Art shown at 17:10 of video. New original characters in the art are biggs and wedge (they also talk about namingway and shadowsmith, who weve seen before). This art will become the new title screen[...]. In art, tyro and elarra arent wearing hats they talk about tyros bangs for a bit.

Home screen changes. Example shown at 20:40

Record dungeons open with a movie recapping Tyros adventures. Shown at 21:45

Record dungeons made up of islands each representing a separate chapter. New music arrangement called journey of memory. Is an entirely new arrangement.

Corrupted Paintings and Record Paintings described at 24:08. Corrupted paintings DONT require stamina, record paintings DO.

At 26:30: Party members are fixed in corrupted paintings (they mimic the party in the scene in the original game). There are side dungeons as well, which can be either record or corrupted dungeons. So when fighting the guardian scorpion in ff7 (first boss), you can only have tyro/elarra AND cloud and Barrett (who were the only ones who fought the guardian scorpion in FF7)

Example of party setup and dungeon exploration at 28:10 (FF7 reactor scene)

FFX Zanarkand scene in pixel art shown at 29:50

Tyro and Elarra will interact with the games and may influence their events

THERE WILL BE A 100 MYTHRIL GIFT AS A REWARD FOR RD LAUNCH (32:22). GLOBAL EXCLUSIVE. /U/ConcernedKeeper can finally be at peace, we are more than equal with missing daily mission rewards now. Also, given the other announcements where more mythril is given, this will add up (unclear if more mythril gifts are being referred to in the future, or if reflecting on the past)

Stamina cost will be removed for Record paintings for a limited time following the update.

Part 3: Game Updates

Music hall will let players choose their favourite music to play on the home screen.

Acolyte archives (36:40): All missions that are completed before will be carried over.

Book of trials is about guiding new players, and is split up into different parts. Completing gives a free 3x draw with guaranteed 5 star and free choice relic. Rewards range from unique, and later super and bursts.

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Part 4: New Events

31 May: FF15 Event with Ignis (41:42). Collectors event, where you can trade for items.

11 June: 30th anniv special dungeon with warrior of light wardrobe (42:09)

14 June: FF3 Challenge event w/ recruitable Barbariccia (42:32). Revenge event for ff4 on 17 June with Palom/Porom adult wardrobes

20 June: Dissidia Collab event (43:00).

24 June Summer Sun Festival 2018 (Fest event) (43:30):

New gift dungeons added for 14 days, can earn 52 mythril. Begins 24 June. Similar to the gift dungeons in 3rd anniv.

Special event where you will fight the weapons from FF7

New quiz dungeon with ragtime mouse. He will ask questions about scenes depicted in the record dungeons released from may 30. Can get new music records from ragtime.

25 June, Music record dungeon released, where you can search for music from the games. Duneons are low difficulty, and you can find music for your music hall.

Unparalled Darkness event where you fight Zeromus. One of the strongest bosses ever faced in ffrk.

Power up dungeons unlocked.

Relic draws and login bonuses:

Special relic draws to celebrate Overhaul and relic draw (48:40) (these look like the ones from the 3rd anniversary survey). Overhaul Relic draws in 2 phases, first on 30 May, 2nd on 1st June. No word if these will be full price, half price, or free. The video shows 2 banners (phase 1 and 2). Phase 1 banner shows cloud/noctis/rosa/ok and phase 2 shows Lightning/kain/relm and OK again. No indication what types of relics (ie USB/BSB/SSB on each banner). /u/guadosalam suggests that these draws are the same as JP: Here and here.

Realms on Parade start 9 June. Note: as in Japan, 15, T and type 0 still share the same banner. Everything stays the same as last parade, including price.

3 phase lucky relic draw for summer sun festival. Phase 1: Elemental infusion burst/ultra. Phase 2 is 5 star or higher overstrike (I assume these will all be 6 star). Phase 3 is a '5 star or higher' USB only lucky draw (do these guys even play their own game)? Edit: Translation here is pretty confusing, so you can read for yourself at around 50:10 of the video. /u/LilitthLu suggests phase 2 and 3 will be one guaranteed 6* with the rest of the pull being 6* or less

Summer sun festival will have new arcanes and chains. Lineup for these banners still under wraps.

Login bonuses:

From 24 June, there is a login bonuses including 10 mythril and other gifts for the summer sun fest.

10 mythril for everyone for watching this video (will be in inboxes on 25 May). (thanks to /u/clithertron)

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Uggh I can't beat Hades, I've been struggling against this bastard all day and even blew orbs on stuff like D'dia in hopes of beating him but I always get killed or status effect fucked, or he gets me while I'm trying to recover from his dispel at 50% HP. Black Cauldron is the most BS move I've seem so far in this game, it's an instant lose if you don't blink or have an astra prior, so most of the meter has to be entrusted to Rosa simply to avoid that move. Apparently you can DPS him into another phase where he skips Black Cauldron but with stupid high defenses and 975k HP I can't do that without a chain or Orlandeau/Beatrix USB and as stated before all that meter is going to Rosa. Oh and that stupid strike with 100% interrupt fuck that too.

Man all I want is that stupid mythril from the Cid Mission before it goes away. What a douchebag move to remove the Cid Missions a month before Ramza's chain comes out.
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What kind of Holy relics do you have?

If you have TGC OSB and something like Beatrix BSB along with OK pUSB (or maybe Shout 2.0), it should be doable. That's what I had for my first clear.
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I do have all of those, Beatrix isn't dived through and I just have her old BSB.

I mainly use Marche USB, Orlandeau OSB, Onion Knight pUSB, Shelke and Rosa (I wanted to use Ramza because I bought his LM but I need the crit buff since Hades' defenses are so high.) Marche has the 40% Knight Damage RM and Orlandeau has the 30% weakness RM and they're still only doing 3000/4000 with assault sabers (6000 with crits) I tried swapping Orlandeau with Firion since his burst has instant magic blink but it only does 4 hits and he has no access to holy abilities so all he can do is lifesiphon, even through he can dodge a magic blink his damage contribution is too low that Hades stays in his phase and does another Black Cauldron. I have Agrias USB/OSB but she's probably too slow compared to Orlandeau and she's not dived. Even tried Raines and Alphinaud in a damage reflect strategy and that didn't work.
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I feel that a dived Marche and Orlandeau should be good enough, though I'd understand if you don't want to dive TGC without his USB.

You're taking Unicorn as your magicite, right?

Also, his first 4 turns in phase 2 and 3 are
AoE Interrupt Strike
Regular Strike
Dark Flare
Black Cauldron

Shouldn't be hard to dodge the fixed Black Cauldrons with Rosa USB. He can use Black Cauldron outside of these fixed ones, but
a) you could get lucky and not see any
b) with some luck you could still dodge them Rosa USB
c) Unicorn can save you once
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Orlandeau is fully dived already and yes Unicorn is my main magicite. The main problem is surviving the dark flare since I try to save Rosa's USB for Black Cauldron but most of the time someone's health is too low and I have to use her USB to heal (she has shellga and wrath so no single target heal) But If I use her USB too early the dark flare will eat the blink so I end up using two USBs just to dodge Black Cauldron but I keep failing to get the meter or the entrust hasn't reach her or her turn hasn't started and either someone dies or I get Malboro'd.
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You could give OK Ultra Cure or Curada as a backup healer. Might keep people safe from Dark Flare.
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I'd try dropping wrath and giving her a real heal spell. She won't be able to ultra quite as much but might keep you alive better. I think I also used Affliction Break on Ramza, it'll give you a better chance of dodging the interrupts and surviving if you get hit by Black Cauldron when you don't have Astra.

I'm tempted to draw for Celes's USB but eh... there are a lot of good spellblades and I'm not crazy about the rest of the banner. I wish Shadow USB and Relm USB were here.
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I switched Onion Knight from being a second entruster and equipped him with affliction break and Curada and that finally got me the win!



Curada actually helped a lot since I could that extra meter on Shelke and send it to Orlandeau for some more OSBs (needed to anyway since I was running short on hones for Marche and Orlandeau) Still it was a RNG fest since I have to rely on crits, doublecasts from Marche and, Unicorn's heals which is ironic since Hades only real weakness is that he's so scripted. And it's always panic time when he uses the dispel since you're a sitting duck for those cast times, especially the assault saber users. Also hate that I have to refresh wall since the fight takes so long, sometimes that cost me the fight as well.

Can't wait till Summer Fest banner 1 and hopefully I get relics that let me get some delicious revenge on these bastards.
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Fire Banner is tomorrow, of course Dena had to muck it up with Balthier stuff.

https://gamerdude.thisisourcorner.net/ffrk/ingame_announcements.html#?requestedId=18041218&pageNumber=0

Managed to get two more Hades magicite so I can finally get the level 99 Cid Mission for dark and not have to fight him again until I get better stuff.



Now I can rest easy... until the FFVII Weapons and Zeromus...
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In a way I'm kinda glad because now I can just focus on the Fest fire banner and not be distracted by this one. They better not screw that one up.
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Made 14 million gil today doing Tiamat (the one in Bonds beyond time) over and over again.

I'm having so much trouble picking my relics from the dream selection. What should I go for?

- Is there anything that will let me get my Midgardsormr time under 30? Doesn't seem like anything would help much.

- How good is Vivi's LMR1? I don't really have anything for him, but he's one of my favorites so do I just grab this in the hopes of getting he USB later? I'm already pretty good for fire+ gear.

- Take Serah LMR just for the ice boost? I have zero ice armors. But I've already sub-30ed Tiamat and Serah's not on the team.

Other ones I'm kinda considering:
- Terra OSB (mostly favoritism really)
- Vivi's OSB (favoritism and +fire staff, but the SB itself is less relevant than Terra's because Vivi is all about doublecast abilities)
- Papalymo LMR+OSB (already invested in him, I think I could get sub-30 Isgebind, but he doesn't have any more stuff coming)
- Luneth OSB (for the spear)
- Shadow LMR (good with his USB... which I don't have)
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Nothing wrong with taking stuff for your faves
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Whiskey_Nick posted...

Nothing wrong with taking stuff for your faves

That was the ORIGINAL point of this game in fact...

lol