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Camarija
06/26/19 12:41:02 AM
#201:


From no read to I'm going to sheep Luis

Topic 2 - Post 165
Tom Bombadil posted

No read/undecided: Miz, Hb, Death, Puns, Luis, 5tar, Lea

Topic 4- Post 445
Tom Bombadil posted

Noted! Red how do you plead please be town otherwise I'll have to resort to sheeping Luis

Meh, maybe my read on Tom is wrong

He's got incredible tone
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Camarija
06/26/19 12:42:33 AM
#202:


Wait yeah

Tom "suspects" Red13N day 1 somewhat in the above quoted post

But then later on when I say I will kill Red if I'm given the conch, and on Day 2 when I say I want to lynch and vig red

Tom continuously says: "No, don't do that"

I'll pull up the times he does this

Pick a lane?
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pezloco
06/26/19 12:46:46 AM
#203:


Camarija posted...
Wait yeah

Tom "suspects" Red13N day 1 somewhat in the above quoted post

But then later on when I say I will kill Red if I'm given the conch, and on Day 2 when I say I want to lynch and vig red

Tom continuously says: "No, don't do that"

I'll pull up the times he does this

Pick a lane?


Tom wasn't sold on Red being scum until the "magic trick." And even then it was how Chris and Red responded to each other after the trick not the trick itself. What you're referring to in D1 is actually me catching Red in what I thought was a scum tell. I thought it would be relevant to Tom since I caught Red in a similar scum tell last game having to do with the two of us. Tom was also scum with Red that game. I wanted his opinion. Tom was curious, but clearly not 100% sold.

Do you read it differently than that?
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Camarija
06/26/19 12:49:19 AM
#204:


pezloco posted...
Camarija posted...
Wait yeah

Tom "suspects" Red13N day 1 somewhat in the above quoted post

But then later on when I say I will kill Red if I'm given the conch, and on Day 2 when I say I want to lynch and vig red

Tom continuously says: "No, don't do that"

I'll pull up the times he does this

Pick a lane?


Tom wasn't sold on Red being scum until the "magic trick." And even then it was how Chris and Red responded to each other after the trick not the trick itself. What you're referring to in D1 is actually me catching Red in what I thought was a scum tell. I thought it would be relevant to Tom since I caught Red in a similar scum tell last game having to do with the two of us. Tom was also scum with Red that game. I wanted his opinion. Tom was curious, but clearly not 100% sold.

Do you read it differently than that?


No idea what the heck any magic tricks are

All I see are me pushing Red and Luis, and Tom continuously supporting them and trying to shut me down
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Camarija
06/26/19 12:49:50 AM
#205:


Camarija posted...
Lea3Lea posted...
Town is probably here-ish:

Lopen
Puns
Ben

Scum is probably here:
Mzero
Lolo
Eaed
HB

Sometimes low hanging fruit tastes the best. When someone is enthusiastic signing up for a game and then doesn't actually play, in my experience it's because they rolled scum. A lot of people dislike or struggle playing scum. Maybe they'll be replaced or maybe they just have a get out of day one free card, but so it goes


I don't disagree with the low hanging fruit thing

And I understand the hype train going to the snooze fest being indicative

would you consider Luis_Sera ?


Clearly this was terrible play on my part

I apologize for clearly playing poorly

I'm sorry for pushing Luis when no one was
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pezloco
06/26/19 12:53:23 AM
#206:


Camarija posted...
pezloco posted...
Camarija posted...
Wait yeah

Tom "suspects" Red13N day 1 somewhat in the above quoted post

But then later on when I say I will kill Red if I'm given the conch, and on Day 2 when I say I want to lynch and vig red

Tom continuously says: "No, don't do that"

I'll pull up the times he does this

Pick a lane?


Tom wasn't sold on Red being scum until the "magic trick." And even then it was how Chris and Red responded to each other after the trick not the trick itself. What you're referring to in D1 is actually me catching Red in what I thought was a scum tell. I thought it would be relevant to Tom since I caught Red in a similar scum tell last game having to do with the two of us. Tom was also scum with Red that game. I wanted his opinion. Tom was curious, but clearly not 100% sold.

Do you read it differently than that?


No idea what the heck any magic tricks are

All I see are me pushing Red and Luis, and Tom continuously supporting them and trying to shut me down


So, apparently you haven't read D2. Duly noted.

Chris "trapped" Red in a same time reveal of analysis of the end of D1. It lead to the initial lynch train on Red D2, before his watcher claim and before 5tar's scan reveal.
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Camarija
06/26/19 12:53:36 AM
#207:


Camarija posted...
Obellisk is knowingly playing under the radar on purpose

I'm hoping he has some good reason for it and I'd rather not press him now


Obellisk's time is up
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Camarija
06/26/19 12:54:20 AM
#208:


pezloco posted...
Camarija posted...
pezloco posted...
Camarija posted...
Wait yeah

Tom "suspects" Red13N day 1 somewhat in the above quoted post

But then later on when I say I will kill Red if I'm given the conch, and on Day 2 when I say I want to lynch and vig red

Tom continuously says: "No, don't do that"

I'll pull up the times he does this

Pick a lane?


Tom wasn't sold on Red being scum until the "magic trick." And even then it was how Chris and Red responded to each other after the trick not the trick itself. What you're referring to in D1 is actually me catching Red in what I thought was a scum tell. I thought it would be relevant to Tom since I caught Red in a similar scum tell last game having to do with the two of us. Tom was also scum with Red that game. I wanted his opinion. Tom was curious, but clearly not 100% sold.

Do you read it differently than that?


No idea what the heck any magic tricks are

All I see are me pushing Red and Luis, and Tom continuously supporting them and trying to shut me down


So, apparently you haven't read D2. Duly noted.

Chris "trapped" Red in a same time reveal of analysis of the end of D1. It lead to the initial lynch train on Red D2, before his watcher claim and before 5tar's scan reveal.


I read day 2

I even tried finding this 'magic trick' that Chris kept talking about

I have no idea wtf he was talking about
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5tarscream
06/26/19 12:54:38 AM
#209:


Im glad youre looking more positive Cam. Lets work together. I think MZero and SBell are very similar lynches. They both COULD be scum but they could equally be town. Neither of them has done anything significantly helpful. Theyre just voting each other. Even when both pressed for secondary targets they basically derped

Either is lynchable but its a coin flip on their alignment. Have either of them done much regarding voting other people?

Id like to work out pez and Tom because theyre both so up and down theyre like scales.

Get your shit together roomies. Can one of you please consistently look good or bad and stay that way.
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pezloco
06/26/19 12:55:51 AM
#210:


5tarscream posted...
Im glad youre looking more positive Cam. Lets work together. I think MZero and SBell are very similar lynches. They both COULD be scum but they could equally be town. Neither of them has done anything significantly helpful. Theyre just voting each other. Even when both pressed for secondary targets they basically derped

Either is lynchable but its a coin flip on their alignment. Have either of them done much regarding voting other people?

Id like to work out pez and Tom because theyre both so up and down theyre like scales.

Get your shit together roomies. Can one of you please consistently look good or bad and stay that way.


I'm here, you want to ask me anything?
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Camarija
06/26/19 12:57:25 AM
#211:


Camarija posted...
Did Scare sub in for Lolo or eaedwards6400 ?

Also it's unexpected to see red take the lead but wholly welcomed

I'd been wondering why they almost randomly fetishized physical violence against me

I don't really see a perceivable gain for Town by doing that

I believe it was both an attempt to discredit me and to gain some sort of statusin the process

I just don't see Red being a needlessly cruel psychopath taking pleasure in posting about kicking my teeth in

I'll choose to believe he is Mafia and this was a status play


For people who forgot I wanted Red dead Day 1
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MZero11
06/26/19 12:59:11 AM
#212:


pezloco posted...
@MZero11 would you like to say anything else? You think Lolo might be scum because you'd do the same thing. What do you think of HB and Cam?

Do you want to weigh in on Tom or Me?


As I said Cam is scummy but I don't see his angle as scum. I just think he's town throwing a tantrum (also Chris was really sure he's town)
Hb... nothing really sticks out. But I don't like that he parked his vote on Lea and hasn't done much else. I'll have to reread him

I think you're town because I've liked your thought processes, even on Sultan which turned out to be wrong. Tom, my gut says scum but I have nothing concrete. He seems similar to last game but I have never played with Town Tom so idk how he is

So pez town tom scum or town/town. I ruled out the other possibilities but I don't remember why. I should take notes
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pezloco
06/26/19 12:59:44 AM
#213:


@Camarija for the "magic trick" see post 461 and read from there.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/77806369?page=9

This is when things started to move poorly for Red. I don't mean that you and I hadn't voted him D1, cause we clearly had. This is the first time there was broad support for a lynch.
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Camarija
06/26/19 1:00:41 AM
#214:


More of my Day 1 stuff on Red

Camarija posted...

I still have Scare as Town

I'll let you know if that changes

My read on Red is unmoving


Camarija posted...


yes

but i keep my vote on red


Camarija posted...
I have some choice words for you Red

But for now, I will do everything in my power to see you voted out, or vigged in the game


Tom Bombadil posted...
Camarija posted...
I have some choice words for you Red

But for now, I will do everything in my power to see you voted out, or vigged in the game


Let's not do that
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5tarscream
06/26/19 1:01:28 AM
#215:


Pez you seem to be spending most of your time defending Tom at the moment instead of looking for scum.
Im guessing youre really confident hes town so which of the people on him do you think is scum?
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pezloco
06/26/19 1:01:41 AM
#216:


Camarija posted...
Camarija posted...
Did Scare sub in for Lolo or eaedwards6400 ?

Also it's unexpected to see red take the lead but wholly welcomed

I'd been wondering why they almost randomly fetishized physical violence against me

I don't really see a perceivable gain for Town by doing that

I believe it was both an attempt to discredit me and to gain some sort of statusin the process

I just don't see Red being a needlessly cruel psychopath taking pleasure in posting about kicking my teeth in

I'll choose to believe he is Mafia and this was a status play


For people who forgot I wanted Red dead Day 1


No one forgot.
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Camarija
06/26/19 1:02:32 AM
#217:


pezloco posted...
@Camarija for the "magic trick" see post 461 and read from there.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/77806369?page=9

This is when things started to move poorly for Red. I don't mean that you and I hadn't voted him D1, cause we clearly had. This is the first time there was broad support for a lynch.


ty

I'll read now

But it's meaningless

I caught him day 1
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Camarija
06/26/19 1:10:58 AM
#218:


LOL

I'm rereading day two where I'm talking about both Luis and Red being Mafia together and Corrik comes in and calls me a weak and bad player

LMFAO

silly corrik

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Camarija
06/26/19 1:16:44 AM
#219:


Tom has no read on Luis

Tom Bombadil posted...
No read but +EV: Ulti, Corrik, Sbell


Then he talks about sheeping Luis?
Read Luis' posts in between these two posts, they're not good.

Tom Bombadil posted...

Noted! Red how do you plead please be town otherwise I'll have to resort to sheeping Luis


Here Tom tries to stop me from shooting and lynching Red

TWICE

On two separate days

Tom Bombadil posted...
Camarija posted...
I have some choice words for you Red

But for now, I will do everything in my power to see you voted out, or vigged in the game


Let's not do that


Day 1

Tom Bombadil posted...
Camarija posted...
I'm fine lynching and vigging both Red and Corrik

Don't even care about their alignments tbh


Let's not do that


Day 2

And here Tom seems to think he was pivotal in lynching Red?

HAH
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turbopuns3
06/26/19 1:17:40 AM
#220:


Camarija posted...
We lynch Obellisk today

If they are Mafia, please lynch Tom tomorrow


Sure
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pezloco
06/26/19 1:18:34 AM
#221:


5tarscream posted...
Pez you seem to be spending most of your time defending Tom at the moment instead of looking for scum.
Im guessing youre really confident hes town so which of the people on him do you think is scum?


Per my big ISO regarding the suspicion on Tom from D2

TLDR: Based on interactions with Tom

Ulti > Lopen > SBell > Lea lean scum on. Given 5tar's scan on Ulti, Lopen and Sbell are higher on my scum list.

Ben I still read pretty null, but lean slightly town. HB I already read strong town and I'm reinforced in that read.

Cam, Corrik, and Puns I keep to my previous reads.


How much of this has changed? Cam didn't change. I didn't know what to do with Voldemort at first. But ultimately I think my read of him prior to his claim of Voldemort still fits best with town and I agree with HB and Puns who both suggested he's a flavor miller for the flavor cop.

That leaves SBell and Lopen on my list from that.

I asked for people's opinions on SBell giving them my three different guesses at his motivation for his play. Since then I think it's much more unlikely that he is indeed town power. So, what's left is he was scum trying to hide in plain sight or he was villager looking to draw attention to himself by looking like he was trying to hide. I don't know him well enough, but to borrow Chris' phrase I think both of those plays are within his range.

Lopen intrigues me. I do not like his interaction with Tom on D2. I did not like him not voting HB D1. He claims he didn't need to, and there was some truth to that. One post stuck out to me. As Ulti pressed him on not voting for HB, Lopen offered to vote and unvote. It would put his name on the votals and pretty much erase all of Ulti's argument. Or at least put it into WIFOM territory. But he didn't actually do this. If I had been him I would've just voted and unvoted, I wouldn't have offered. That felt weird to me.

However, in Lopen's favor is his argument against Red even after the Watcher claim. This is definitely a point in his favor. Probably lots of points in his favor. Then, Tom and Lopen's role play of the gut/logic interactions and his willingness to listen to Tom make me not as sure.

As for other scum reads, I doubt both MZero and SBell are scum. I don't have anything that ties them together. It's mostly gut I guess. I can't point to anything other than saying I don't think Red would let them both play this way at the same time if they were all on the scum team together.

I'm not sold on Lolo, but I'm not voting him today without someone having something much more concrete. The timing of his post and the vigor of Lily believing she wouldn't be on a team with Voldemort is pretty compelling.

So that leaves in my possible scum pile, Lea, Benjamin, SBell, MZero, Death, and Lolo. If not all the scum can be found there, Lopen, Ulti, and 5tar.
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Camarija
06/26/19 1:18:57 AM
#222:


oh yeah

People still don't realize I caught two Mafia before anyone else

Ok

We're playing two separate games
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pezloco
06/26/19 1:20:47 AM
#223:


Camarija posted...
Tom has no read on Luis

Tom Bombadil posted...
No read but +EV: Ulti, Corrik, Sbell


Then he talks about sheeping Luis?
Read Luis' posts in between these two posts, they're not good.

Tom Bombadil posted...

Noted! Red how do you plead please be town otherwise I'll have to resort to sheeping Luis


Here Tom tries to stop me from shooting and lynching Red

TWICE

On two separate days

Tom Bombadil posted...
Camarija posted...
I have some choice words for you Red

But for now, I will do everything in my power to see you voted out, or vigged in the game


Let's not do that


Day 1

Tom Bombadil posted...
Camarija posted...
I'm fine lynching and vigging both Red and Corrik

Don't even care about their alignments tbh


Let's not do that


Day 2

And here Tom seems to think he was pivotal in lynching Red?

HAH


Umm, where did Tom say he was pivotal in lynching Red? I'm pretty sure you, Lopen, and 5tar are the only ones to claim being pivotal. I claimed to have something to do with it. But ultimately Red might not get lynched D2 without 5tar's scan. Certainly you me and Lopen weren't getting done on our own.
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Camarija
06/26/19 1:20:53 AM
#224:


I really want to say Corrik can't be this willfully ignorant to not recognize how cleared I am

Corrik's timing of pushing me is always when I'm pushing Mafia

On day 1 it was when I was pushing Luis

On day 2 it was when I was pushing Red

It's just... Corrik is either playing very poorly, or he's deliberately sabotaging my best plays at every turn
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turbopuns3
06/26/19 1:21:38 AM
#225:


Cam I've never said or done any of the things you're being annoyed by

You've been clear town to me for a long time and vice versa so let's just ignore the haters and do some work
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Camarija
06/26/19 1:22:03 AM
#226:


I'm sorry for getting worked up

And getting super Ego

I must defend my plays and reads this game being accurate
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pezloco
06/26/19 1:25:57 AM
#227:


Camarija posted...
oh yeah

People still don't realize I caught two Mafia before anyone else

Ok

We're playing two separate games


People know you said they were scum. That's not up for debate. What is up for debate is how meaningful your suspicions were. There are scum reasons to say your scum buddies look scummy. It gets you town points if/when they flip in the future. Or if you flip first it might make them look a little better. Especially if you didn't have any meat on your accusations.

Remember I think you're town. But you're having a hard time convincing some people of that because you can't see it from their perspective. You only see from your own perspective. You will struggle to convince them if you continue to fail to understand why they are not already convinced.
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pezloco
06/26/19 1:33:49 AM
#228:


I'm not leaving my vote parked over night. I think I prefer SBell over MZero anyway.

@MZero11 One last question I hope you see. How do you feel your game is the same as WWE? How do you feel it's different?
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pezloco
06/26/19 1:34:06 AM
#229:


##unvote: MZero
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turbopuns3
06/26/19 1:57:58 AM
#230:


Camarija posted...
This is more or less my current Process of Elimination after a quick sorting

1. Pezloco
2. UltimaterializerX
5. SBell (Obellisk)
7. MZero
11. Tom Bombadil
14. Corrik

I need to review to see who else I can remove from the list


Can you remind me why htaeD is cleared
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Corrik7
06/26/19 1:59:36 AM
#231:


Camarija posted...
I want to make a deal

We lynch Obellisk today

If they are Mafia, please lynch Tom tomorrow

Very well, sir.

##unvote:
##vote:sbell

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5tarscream
06/26/19 2:07:52 AM
#232:


This caught mafia thing is getting annoying. You were only so hard on red because he threatened to kick your teeth in. That's it. It wasn't some super intuitive read. You didn't catch him in a trap. You didn't catch him in a lie. That was other players. You didn't start the votes on D2 that got the claim that caught the lie. If he hadn't threatened you then you likely wouldn't have stuck to him so hard. If Chris had threatened to kick your teeth in then I imagine you'd have been all over him for 2 days instead.
Can we please PLEASE get past this. Chris caught Luis after he was kingmaker because of his lackadasical attitude. Chris and I caught red D2.
Yes you suspected them.
Yes you've been playing well.
Get over yourself with this "I'm the best player." nonsense. Lopen's play on hb on D1 was better than anything you've done.
Almost nobody is calling you scum and you're still crying because people aren't kissing your ass.
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5tarscream
06/26/19 2:09:14 AM
#233:


Camarija posted...
I want to make a deal

We lynch Obellisk today

If they are Mafia, please lynch Tom tomorrow


This I can agree with
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Corrik7
06/26/19 2:11:25 AM
#234:


turbopuns3 posted...
Camarija posted...
This is more or less my current Process of Elimination after a quick sorting

1. Pezloco
2. UltimaterializerX
5. SBell (Obellisk)
7. MZero
11. Tom Bombadil
14. Corrik

I need to review to see who else I can remove from the list


Can you remind me why htaeD is cleared

Shouldn't you be wondering why ur cleared also?

I feel like cams targets are just thrown out of a hat.

I feel like he coulda said 10 ppl were scum day 1 and if the first 2 scum flipped were on his list of 10 he would be claiming to the heavens he is confirmed town and nailed them.

He gives me zero reasoning why people are scum that I find sound.

Like, why was Luis scum? You nailed him right? Then why was he scum?

Why was red scum? You nailed him right? Then why was he scum?

Why is sbell scum? You are nailing him right? Then why is he scum?

I mean, I am gonna follow him just because this is one of my worst games of all time and basically just gonna assume he has a hot hand with his rng scum reads. He can't be any worse than my own play this game. I am playing straight up embarassing. I think I may have even misread my role how it works and fucked that up royally too.

So, I ain't putting anyone's play down. But I have a strong desire to buck against what I feel is condescending play also.

I'll let it ride tho. Lead us to glory, cam. Be the goat.
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5tarscream
06/26/19 2:11:28 AM
#235:


Pez I think death is town. His play seems pretty similar to last game and I know there's been a few posts and opinions I've been impressed by though I can't remember the exact posts.
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Corrik7
06/26/19 2:13:37 AM
#236:


5tarscream posted...
Pez I think death is town. His play seems pretty similar to last game and I know there's been a few posts and opinions I've been impressed by though I can't remember the exact posts.

Be wary of death and lopen. Lopen moreso.

But, not a tree we need to bark up today.
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5tarscream
06/26/19 2:15:10 AM
#237:


Corrik did you say which poem you are?
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turbopuns3
06/26/19 2:15:20 AM
#238:


Corrik7 posted...
Shouldn't you be wondering why ur cleared also?


No because it is irrelevant to my own PoE which cam has been cleared from since like the first 24 hours of the game
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Corrik7
06/26/19 2:15:54 AM
#239:


5tarscream posted...
Corrik did you say which poem you are?

No. Hold on and I will tell ya.
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Corrik7
06/26/19 2:16:53 AM
#240:


I think the name is "Because I could not stop for death"

<3 Death @htaeD
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Camarija
06/26/19 2:19:44 AM
#241:


turbopuns3 posted...
Camarija posted...
This is more or less my current Process of Elimination after a quick sorting

1. Pezloco
2. UltimaterializerX
5. SBell (Obellisk)
7. MZero
11. Tom Bombadil
14. Corrik

I need to review to see who else I can remove from the list


Can you remind me why htaeD is cleared


I liked that they had Luis and Red in their list of 5 day 1
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turbopuns3
06/26/19 2:19:45 AM
#242:


turbopuns3 posted...
Corrik7 posted...
Shouldn't you be wondering why ur cleared also?


No because it is irrelevant to my own PoE which cam has been cleared from since like the first 24 hours of the game


(Also, because I already know the answer to why I'm cleared because we've already talked about it, so...yeah.)
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Camarija
06/26/19 2:20:55 AM
#243:


and ok

I'll tone down the best player ever as soon as Town stop randomly voting me whenever it's convenient for Mafia to do so
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Corrik7
06/26/19 2:21:33 AM
#244:


turbopuns3 posted...
turbopuns3 posted...
Corrik7 posted...
Shouldn't you be wondering why ur cleared also?


No because it is irrelevant to my own PoE which cam has been cleared from since like the first 24 hours of the game


(Also, because I already know the answer to why I'm cleared because we've already talked about it, so...yeah.)

Anytime someone tells me I am town when I am town, and I feel they have no basis to make that distinction, I get the scum feels hard.
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Camarija
06/26/19 2:22:19 AM
#245:


Also, the POE I narrowed down was a combination of:

1. People who no voted / 1 voted at that time day 1 where I made the list

2. Cross referenced with my spew analysis reads of people unlikely to be Mafia with Luis

3. Some new information and Chris' reads
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turbopuns3
06/26/19 2:22:46 AM
#246:


Corrik7 posted...
I feel they have no basis to make that distinction,


Ok

Well I think he does have a basis, so...
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Camarija
06/26/19 2:23:04 AM
#247:


Also, can we please not early hammer?
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Corrik7
06/26/19 2:23:28 AM
#248:


turbopuns3 posted...
Corrik7 posted...
I feel they have no basis to make that distinction,


Ok

Well I think he does have a basis, so...

Then what is it? I asked if u should care he has u cleared and u don't know why and u said it didn't matter basically lok
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turbopuns3
06/26/19 2:25:24 AM
#249:


I said I already know his basis because we already talked about it before.
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turbopuns3
06/26/19 2:27:15 AM
#250:


It was based on my claim making more sense if I'm town than scum, and assisted by me not being a player who is described by his initial PoE steps which he just listed (including Chris's read)
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