Survivor Summer Topic 2 - Frickin' Khal Drogo

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Inviso 09/13/19 12:46:24 AM #401:	Just watched the episode. It's day 86. There are still thirteen days left and only four house guests. They REALLY fucked up by having a day one eviction and only the one buyback. Never should've been a day one eviction in the first place. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:927367769] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Just watched the episode. It's day 86. There are still thirteen days left and only four house guests. They REALLY fucked up by having a day one eviction and only the one buyback. Never should've been a day one eviction in the first place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 09/13/19 12:51:54 AM #402:	Inviso posted... They REALLY fucked up I dont see any problem --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:927367893] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Inviso posted... </cite> <quote>They REALLY fucked up</quote> I dont see any problem </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 09/13/19 1:58:53 AM #403:	I think they improvised after they saw how ugly the cast was in the prejury. With Jack as the first juror and the biggest troublemaker, and probably most likely to return with a battle back, they potentially cut the battle back altogether. This schedule is much more old school which I strongly prefer, though I fear its still going to be a rushed finale like usual. --- https://imgur.com/6Lra0Xf https://imgur.com/fZbEYu0 <cite>Peridiam posted [p:927369468] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>I think they improvised after they saw how ugly the cast was in the prejury. With Jack as the first juror and the biggest troublemaker, and probably most likely to return with a battle back, they potentially cut the battle back altogether. This schedule is much more old school which I strongly prefer, though I fear its still going to be a rushed finale like usual.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueCrystalTear 09/13/19 7:22:32 AM #404:	Peridiam posted... This schedule is much more old school which I strongly prefer, though I fear its still going to be a rushed finale like usual. If they do a recap/clip show, I prefer that to have 3 people remaining. I'd much prefer that to be the third-to-last episode, however, with the F3 eviction being the penultimate episode. The schedule SHOULD be: Sunday: F4 HOH + noms Wednesday: F4 Veto + Eviction Thursday: Recap clip show - one that actually explains shit that went down pre-feeds that became relevant to the seasonal narrative as well as other necessary things excluded from episodes Sunday: Final HOH, all parts + Final Eviction Finale: Quick overview, final juror joins for Dr. Will's Q&A which is immediately followed by the TAPED jury questioning, some highlight filler, final vote and reveal, 15-minute "reunion" that includes reveal of America's Favorite (who is that going to be this year?) The finales these days don't have a proper FTC, which sucks. The final juror also has only 27 minutes to process everything before casting a vote for the money. Why don't they get to sleep on it? None of this is good for the game and it's not good TV, either. Big Brother really needs to rework these finales so they're enjoyable, because they're not and I find myself skipping on them to follow up the Survivor premiere instead. --- BlueCrystalTear \| GNT BB4 Winner, Winner Chicken Dinner 3DS 4356-4163-4781 \| (((FREE HUGS))) \| You're living your own life. You're you. <cite>BlueCrystalTear posted [p:927374896] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Peridiam posted...</cite> <quote>This schedule is much more old school which I strongly prefer, though I fear its still going to be a rushed finale like usual.</quote> If they do a recap/clip show, I prefer that to have 3 people remaining. I'd much prefer that to be the third-to-last episode, however, with the F3 eviction being the penultimate episode. The schedule SHOULD be: Sunday: F4 HOH + noms Wednesday: F4 Veto + Eviction Thursday: Recap clip show - one that actually explains shit that went down pre-feeds that became relevant to the seasonal narrative as well as other necessary things excluded from episodes Sunday: Final HOH, all parts + Final Eviction Finale: Quick overview, final juror joins for Dr. Will's Q&A which is immediately followed by the TAPED jury questioning, some highlight filler, final vote and reveal, 15-minute "reunion" that includes reveal of America's Favorite (who is that going to be this year?) The finales these days don't have a proper FTC, which sucks. The final juror also has only 27 minutes to process everything before casting a vote for the money. Why don't they get to sleep on it? None of this is good for the game and it's not good TV, either. Big Brother really needs to rework these finales so they're enjoyable, because they're not and I find myself skipping on them to follow up the Survivor premiere instead.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 09/15/19 3:21:55 PM #405:	F4 HoH Spoiler: ~~Nicole wins HoH and is in the final 3!~~ F4 Veto Spoiler: ~~Jackson wins veto and is planning on taking out Cliff.~~ Inviso's Thoughts Spoiler: People are giving Cliff and Nicole a lot of shit and calling them dumb for how they played the past few weeks, but that's very results-oriented thinking, and doesn't seem completely fair to me, to paint them with that brush. The only real mistake either of them made was Nicole winning the DE HoH. It should've been Tommy or Christie and let THEM take the shot at Jackson. The problem is that calling Cliffcole dumb really negates the good game moves Jackson made on multiple occasions to get himself where he is. I think he's a scumbag, but like, he targeted Jessica specifically to keep a second couple in the house, and then when Nicole won HoH, that second couple was a threat to be targeted instead of himself/Holly. And since then, Jackson has won HoH and veto, so they haven't had a proper chance to take him out. 1. Nicole won F6 HoH. If she goes after Jolly, she's burning an alliance that just protected her ass three weeks in a row, in favor of an alliance that, the last time they were in power, put her closest ally on the block, alongside another member of her assumed alliance. If either of Jolly wins HoH, the survivor will be pissed off, and has a very legitimate reason to team up with Christie/Tommy (or at least with Tommy). Suddenly it's 3 against 1 in the HoH, and it's very likely one of Cliffcole goes home. 2. Cliff won F6 veto. If they backdoor Jackson, same deal, except you've effectively pissed off Christie/Tommy by nominating them and putting them in harm's way in the first place. The ONLY move they could've made here is vetoing Christie off the block and nominating one of Holly/Jackson in order to guarantee a Tommy boot, but again, they pisses off Jolly and leaves Cliffcole as a threatening duo. 5. Nicole won F5 veto. If she/Cliff take out Holly, then there's no reason for this same exact situation not to still occur. Jackson's pissed about losing Holly, and he still had a working relationship with Tommy, with a solid duo still in the house together. Essentially, the only way this works out for Cliffcole is either Jackson not winning the comps he won, or Tommy winning the F6 HoH (and targeting Jolly, instead of defaulting to his hatred of the outsiders.) --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:927475917] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>F4 HoH Spoiler: Nicole wins HoH and is in the final 3! F4 Veto Spoiler: Jackson wins veto and is planning on taking out Cliff. Inviso's Thoughts Spoiler: People are giving Cliff and Nicole a lot of shit and calling them dumb for how they played the past few weeks, but that's very results-oriented thinking, and doesn't seem completely fair to me, to paint them with that brush. The only real mistake either of them made was Nicole winning the DE HoH. It should've been Tommy or Christie and let THEM take the shot at Jackson. The problem is that calling Cliffcole dumb really negates the good game moves Jackson made on multiple occasions to get himself where he is. I think he's a scumbag, but like, he targeted Jessica specifically to keep a second couple in the house, and then when Nicole won HoH, that second couple was a threat to be targeted instead of himself/Holly. And since then, Jackson has won HoH and veto, so they haven't had a proper chance to take him out. 1. Nicole won F6 HoH. If she goes after Jolly, she's burning an alliance that just protected her ass three weeks in a row, in favor of an alliance that, the last time they were in power, put her closest ally on the block, alongside another member of her assumed alliance. If either of Jolly wins HoH, the survivor will be pissed off, and has a very legitimate reason to team up with Christie/Tommy (or at least with Tommy). Suddenly it's 3 against 1 in the HoH, and it's very likely one of Cliffcole goes home. 2. Cliff won F6 veto. If they backdoor Jackson, same deal, except you've effectively pissed off Christie/Tommy by nominating them and putting them in harm's way in the first place. The ONLY move they could've made here is vetoing Christie off the block and nominating one of Holly/Jackson in order to guarantee a Tommy boot, but again, they pisses off Jolly and leaves Cliffcole as a threatening duo. 5. Nicole won F5 veto. If she/Cliff take out Holly, then there's no reason for this same exact situation not to still occur. Jackson's pissed about losing Holly, and he still had a working relationship with Tommy, with a solid duo still in the house together. Essentially, the only way this works out for Cliffcole is either Jackson not winning the comps he won, or Tommy winning the F6 HoH (and targeting Jolly, instead of defaulting to his hatred of the outsiders.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mnkboy907 09/15/19 3:32:34 PM #406:	After the blowup between Jackson and Tommy before eviction, I'm not sure Jackson would still evict Cliff in that scenario. He'd maybe be upset at him, sure, but he generally approaches these situations in a rational way. At this point, none of Nicole/Cliff/Tommy would be taking him to F2, so he has to know his only real shot at winning the game is by winning the final HoH. Tommy is a bigger threat to beat him in competitions than Cliff, so thus it makes more sense for him to evict Tommy in F4. Now if it was a choice between Tommy/Nicole, I think things would sway the other way and he might still take out Nicole. --- Change is weird. <cite>mnkboy907 posted [p:927476388] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>After the blowup between Jackson and Tommy before eviction, I'm not sure Jackson would still evict Cliff in that scenario. He'd maybe be upset at him, sure, but he generally approaches these situations in a rational way. At this point, none of Nicole/Cliff/Tommy would be taking him to F2, so he has to know his only real shot at winning the game is by winning the final HoH. Tommy is a bigger threat to beat him in competitions than Cliff, so thus it makes more sense for him to evict Tommy in F4. Now if it was a choice between Tommy/Nicole, I think things would sway the other way and he might still take out Nicole.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 09/15/19 8:18:05 PM #407:	Fuck yeah nicole seeing through Jackson's shit --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:927489386] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Fuck yeah nicole seeing through Jackson's shit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 09/15/19 8:20:56 PM #408:	Jackson is SUCH a tremendous piece of shit. "How DARE they not play for my success?" --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:927489533] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Jackson is SUCH a tremendous piece of shit. "How DARE they not play for my success?"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 09/15/19 8:24:17 PM #409:	Noooo nicole you had ittt --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:927489705] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Noooo nicole you had ittt </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 09/15/19 8:25:02 PM #410:	I dont think he's a piece of shit for playing to win. It's all the other stuff --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:927489735] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>I dont think he's a piece of shit for playing to win. It's all the other stuff </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 09/15/19 8:31:55 PM #411:	No clifffff for trusting jackson --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:927490040] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>No clifffff for trusting jackson </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 09/15/19 8:36:37 PM #412:	Gross canadian political attack ads --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:927490237] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Gross canadian political attack ads </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 09/15/19 8:47:07 PM #413:	--- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:927490728] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 09/15/19 8:54:54 PM #414:	Jackson: I will not turn my back on holly Also jackson: holly has to drop so if they win they won't vote me out --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:927491061] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Jackson: I will not turn my back on holly Also jackson: holly has to drop so if they win they won't vote me out </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 09/15/19 8:55:34 PM #415:	Wheres momma? Holly: :/ --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:927491084] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Wheres momma? Holly: :/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 09/15/19 8:57:41 PM #416:	Wished she nominated cliff for fun --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:927491187] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Wished she nominated cliff for fun </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueCrystalTear 09/15/19 9:09:30 PM #417:	Re: Inviso's thoughts above (contains Veto spoiler) That is all SPOT ON. Cliff and Nicole made what they thought was the better bet - there's no guarantee that they'd have beaten Tommy at Veto, either, and Holly is more beatable in the final 2 than Tommy is. It is 100% results-oriented thinking to calling them dumb; had they made the other decision and then Tommy won Veto with intent to split them up just the same, people would still call them stupid. The only time they could've taken him out was during the Double Eviction, but they instead to split up the Tommy/Christie pair, which is a completely fair decision on their behalf for the reasons you stated. They had a choice which duo to break up and chose the one that was better for their game. As much of a douche as he is, Michie has played the best game and has set himself up well to advance to Part 3 of the final HOH. All he has to do is win that and he wins Big Brother, making his mother so proud of him. Michie/Holly are also only the second showmance to make the F3 together and the first in BBUS, with the first being Derek/Kaela in BBCAN6. Michie beats both Holly and Nicole in the F2 because of how the jury sees that he's controlled so much, won competitions, set himself up brilliantly, and convinced people to do things that were more in his interests than their own. A Holly/Nicole F2... I have no idea which of the two of them wins, so part of me hopes that happens so we don't get a runaway jury vote. And because Michie is a douche. --- BlueCrystalTear \| GNT BB4 Winner, Winner Chicken Dinner 3DS 4356-4163-4781 \| (((FREE HUGS))) \| You're living your own life. You're you. <cite>BlueCrystalTear posted [p:927491800] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Re: Inviso's thoughts above (contains Veto spoiler) That is all SPOT ON. Cliff and Nicole made what they thought was the better bet - there's no guarantee that they'd have beaten Tommy at Veto, either, and Holly is more beatable in the final 2 than Tommy is. It is 100% results-oriented thinking to calling them dumb; had they made the other decision and then Tommy won Veto with intent to split them up just the same, people would still call them stupid. The only time they could've taken him out was during the Double Eviction, but they instead to split up the Tommy/Christie pair, which is a completely fair decision on their behalf for the reasons you stated. They had a choice which duo to break up and chose the one that was better for their game. As much of a douche as he is, Michie has played the best game and has set himself up well to advance to Part 3 of the final HOH. All he has to do is win that and he wins Big Brother, making his mother so proud of him. Michie/Holly are also only the second showmance to make the F3 together and the first in BBUS, with the first being Derek/Kaela in BBCAN6. Michie beats both Holly and Nicole in the F2 because of how the jury sees that he's controlled so much, won competitions, set himself up brilliantly, and convinced people to do things that were more in his interests than their own. A Holly/Nicole F2... I have no idea which of the two of them wins, so part of me hopes that happens so we don't get a runaway jury vote. And because Michie is a douche.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 09/16/19 8:35:55 PM #418:	hype --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:927537159] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>hype </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ringworm 09/17/19 8:51:41 AM #419:	Don't think many here are watching Australian Survivor, but winner spoilers just in case... Fucking Pia. Smart move from her really, but wish she hadn't voted Luke out, who I think most people wanted to win. Called her getting the shutout win as soon as that happened in the final 4. Still a pretty good season despite that. --- ~ Ringworm ~ Congrats to Advokaiser - Guru champion - CBX <cite>Ringworm posted [p:927556778] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Don't think many here are watching Australian Survivor, but winner spoilers just in case... Fucking Pia. Smart move from her really, but wish she hadn't voted Luke out, who I think most people wanted to win. Called her getting the shutout win as soon as that happened in the final 4. Still a pretty good season despite that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
__LeiaRolando__ 09/17/19 10:08:34 AM #420:	^Gonna wait to click that until after I've seen it (since I can't until later), but after yesterday's episode... ~~the edit has made it so obvious that Pia wins that it's not even funny. If she doesn't win, then it's a hell of a prank, but I can't see Baden or Dirty Harry taking it. I just can't.~~ I'm kinda "eh" on this one given how atrocious the editing this season has been. Like this was Caramoan bad editing - like in Caramoan, the Contender women got jilted, the winner was obvious (provided it's not a joke on us), the boots were easy to predict going into Tribal, and character development took a back seat to the repetitive actions of a few, though in this case those actions were far less unpleasant and were more superficial. This had all the makings of something great, since this was actually a pretty good cast with a proper amount of twists/idols, but it was ruined by the piss-poor editing. --- ~ BlueCrystalTear at large ~ [this space still for lease 7 years later] https://imgur.com/sclpQaM <cite>__LeiaRolando__ posted [p:927558856] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>^Gonna wait to click that until after I've seen it (since I can't until later), but after yesterday's episode... the edit has made it so obvious that Pia wins that it's not even funny. If she doesn't win, then it's a hell of a prank, but I can't see Baden or Dirty Harry taking it. I just can't. I'm kinda "eh" on this one given how atrocious the editing this season has been. Like this was Caramoan bad editing - like in Caramoan, the Contender women got jilted, the winner was obvious (provided it's not a joke on us), the boots were easy to predict going into Tribal, and character development took a back seat to the repetitive actions of a few, though in this case those actions were far less unpleasant and were more superficial. This had all the makings of something great, since this was actually a pretty good cast with a proper amount of twists/idols, but it was ruined by the piss-poor editing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Great_Paul 09/17/19 10:43:26 AM #421:	BlueCrystalTear posted... ~~Michie/Holly are also only the second showmance to make the F3 together and the first in BBUS, with the first being Derek/Kaela in BBCAN6.~~ ~~There was also Jillian and Emmett in BBCan1~~ --- Bear Bro It's kinda coincidental how like in most games pigs are evil. <cite>Great_Paul posted [p:927560016] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>BlueCrystalTear posted...</cite> <quote>Michie/Holly are also only the second showmance to make the F3 together and the first in BBUS, with the first being Derek/Kaela in BBCAN6.</quote> There was also Jillian and Emmett in BBCan1</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
__LeiaRolando__ 09/17/19 11:36:31 AM #422:	Great_Paul posted... BlueCrystalTear posted... ~~Michie/Holly are also only the second showmance to make the F3 together and the first in BBUS, with the first being Derek/Kaela in BBCAN6.~~ ~~There was also Jillian and Emmett in BBCan1~~ ...I forgot that was a showmance. I didn't watch much of that one, so that's why. --- ~ BlueCrystalTear at large ~ [this space still for lease 7 years later] https://imgur.com/sclpQaM <cite>__LeiaRolando__ posted [p:927562014] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Great_Paul posted...</cite> <quote>BlueCrystalTear posted...</cite> <quote>Michie/Holly are also only the second showmance to make the F3 together and the first in BBUS, with the first being Derek/Kaela in BBCAN6.</quote> There was also Jillian and Emmett in BBCan1</quote> ...I forgot that was a showmance. I didn't watch much of that one, so that's why.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 09/17/19 11:38:02 AM #423:	Great_Paul posted... BlueCrystalTear posted... ~~Michie/Holly are also only the second showmance to make the F3 together and the first in BBUS, with the first being Derek/Kaela in BBCAN6.~~ ~~There was also Jillian and Emmett in BBCan1~~ Also ~~Drew/Diane and Boogie/Erika.~~ --- https://imgur.com/6Lra0Xf https://imgur.com/fZbEYu0 <cite>Peridiam posted [p:927562076] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Great_Paul posted...</cite> <quote>BlueCrystalTear posted...</cite> <quote>Michie/Holly are also only the second showmance to make the F3 together and the first in BBUS, with the first being Derek/Kaela in BBCAN6.</quote> There was also Jillian and Emmett in BBCan1</quote> Also Drew/Diane and Boogie/Erika.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
__LeiaRolando__ 09/17/19 11:47:11 AM #424:	Peridiam posted... Great_Paul posted... BlueCrystalTear posted... ~~Michie/Holly are also only the second showmance to make the F3 together and the first in BBUS, with the first being Derek/Kaela in BBCAN6.~~ ~~There was also Jillian and Emmett in BBCan1~~ Also ~~Drew/Diane and Boogie/Erika.~~ ~~Pretty sure the latter wasn't a "real" showmance, just Boogie playing the hell out of her (though neither of them seems to be a very good person). The former... I don't remember how close they were.~~ But yeah looks like I was wrong whoops. --- ~ BlueCrystalTear at large ~ [this space still for lease 7 years later] https://imgur.com/sclpQaM <cite>__LeiaRolando__ posted [p:927562423] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Peridiam posted...</cite> <quote>Great_Paul posted...</cite> <quote>BlueCrystalTear posted...</cite> <quote>Michie/Holly are also only the second showmance to make the F3 together and the first in BBUS, with the first being Derek/Kaela in BBCAN6.</quote> There was also Jillian and Emmett in BBCan1</quote> Also Drew/Diane and Boogie/Erika.</quote> Pretty sure the latter wasn't a "real" showmance, just Boogie playing the hell out of her (though neither of them seems to be a very good person). The former... I don't remember how close they were. But yeah looks like I was wrong whoops.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 09/17/19 2:26:31 PM #425:	__LeiaRolando__ posted... Peridiam posted... Great_Paul posted... BlueCrystalTear posted... ~~Michie/Holly are also only the second showmance to make the F3 together and the first in BBUS, with the first being Derek/Kaela in BBCAN6.~~ ~~There was also Jillian and Emmett in BBCan1~~ Also ~~Drew/Diane and Boogie/Erika.~~ ~~Pretty sure the latter wasn't a "real" showmance, just Boogie playing the hell out of her (though neither of them seems to be a very good person). The former... I don't remember how close they were.~~ But yeah looks like I was wrong whoops. There's no exact definition to what a showmance is (although Will did coin it), but I would say merely being involved romantically, whether real or not, means it's a showmance. Erika was committed to it and Boogie was somewhat invested too, even if he always would pick Will over her. --- https://imgur.com/6Lra0Xf https://imgur.com/fZbEYu0 <cite>Peridiam posted [p:927569015] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>__LeiaRolando__ posted...</cite> <quote>Peridiam posted...</cite> <quote>Great_Paul posted...</cite> <quote>BlueCrystalTear posted...</cite> <quote>Michie/Holly are also only the second showmance to make the F3 together and the first in BBUS, with the first being Derek/Kaela in BBCAN6.</quote> There was also Jillian and Emmett in BBCan1</quote> Also Drew/Diane and Boogie/Erika.</quote> Pretty sure the latter wasn't a "real" showmance, just Boogie playing the hell out of her (though neither of them seems to be a very good person). The former... I don't remember how close they were. But yeah looks like I was wrong whoops.</quote> There's no exact definition to what a showmance is (although Will did coin it), but I would say merely being involved romantically, whether real or not, means it's a showmance. Erika was committed to it and Boogie was somewhat invested too, even if he always would pick Will over her.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 09/17/19 4:53:48 PM #426:	Watching Sunday's episode rn. Ugh season why do you keep reminding me of Bret --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:927575827] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Watching Sunday's episode rn. Ugh season why do you keep reminding me of Bret</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 09/17/19 6:16:54 PM #427:	despicable --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:927579288] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>despicable</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
__LeiaRolando__ 09/18/19 12:09:40 PM #428:	@Ringworm posted... Don't think many here are watching Australian Survivor, but winner spoilers just in case... Fucking Pia. Smart move from her really, but wish she hadn't voted Luke out, who I think most people wanted to win. Called her getting the shutout win as soon as that happened in the final 4. Still a pretty good season despite that. So to follow up now that I've seen it, yeah, pretty much that. I had Pia as my winner pick from after episode 1. The edit made it so obvious that she was winning - this was the most blatant winner's edit ever, even more so than the likes of Cochran and Boston Rob - that it was ultimately completely unsatisfying. Like you don't even need to know what Edgic is to have seen that Pia was the winner, even if you were a Luke fan. You'll be happy to know that Luke got his $500K from a GoFundMe anyway, which a fan started because he wanted Luke to get the happy ending he deserved, so... I'd have enjoyed this season if the edit wasn't a complete disaster. The editors should all be fired after this season because it was that terrible, and I can't place this season in my top half because of that. Shame, since this was a good cast and could have potentially been a great season, but alas. --- ~ BlueCrystalTear at large ~ [this space still for lease 7 years later] https://imgur.com/sclpQaM <cite>__LeiaRolando__ posted [p:927610448] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>@Ringworm posted...</cite> <quote>Don't think many here are watching Australian Survivor, but winner spoilers just in case... Fucking Pia. Smart move from her really, but wish she hadn't voted Luke out, who I think most people wanted to win. Called her getting the shutout win as soon as that happened in the final 4. Still a pretty good season despite that.</quote> So to follow up now that I've seen it, yeah, pretty much that. I had Pia as my winner pick from after episode 1. The edit made it so obvious that she was winning - this was the most blatant winner's edit ever, even more so than the likes of Cochran and Boston Rob - that it was ultimately completely unsatisfying. Like you don't even need to know what Edgic is to have seen that Pia was the winner, even if you were a Luke fan. You'll be happy to know that Luke got his $500K from a GoFundMe anyway, which a fan started because he wanted Luke to get the happy ending he deserved, so... I'd have enjoyed this season if the edit wasn't a complete disaster. The editors should all be fired after this season because it was that terrible, and I can't place this season in my top half because of that. Shame, since this was a good cast and could have potentially been a great season, but alas.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 09/18/19 8:10:14 PM #429:	Cliff what are you doing --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:927632195] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Cliff what are you doing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 09/18/19 8:11:29 PM #430:	This sequence is SO stupid. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:927632238] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>This sequence is SO stupid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 09/18/19 8:21:06 PM #431:	Congrats because you aren't winning 500K --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:927632627] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Congrats because you aren't winning 500K</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 09/18/19 8:35:06 PM #432:	This episode is really boring. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:927633231] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>This episode is really boring.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 09/18/19 8:51:27 PM #433:	Man, we were so close to a good ending. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:927633927] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Man, we were so close to a good ending.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 09/18/19 8:52:08 PM #434:	Ugh. And I hate how the last few episodes have portrayed him as a victim when he's been a dick to Nicole and voted out Cliff earlier in the summer. --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:927633959] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Ugh. And I hate how the last few episodes have portrayed him as a victim when he's been a dick to Nicole and voted out Cliff earlier in the summer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 09/18/19 8:55:24 PM #435:	Oh Survivor is already on next week? I'm so unedited for this season. And the previews dont even care about the actual players. They're all about people who aren't even playing. --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:927634082] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Oh Survivor is already on next week? I'm so unedited for this season. And the previews dont even care about the actual players. They're all about people who aren't even playing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 09/18/19 8:57:10 PM #436:	Spoilers Jolly gonna last like six months outside the house. --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:927634162] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Spoilers Jolly gonna last like six months outside the house.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 09/18/19 8:58:43 PM #437:	UGH. SEASON. STOP REMlNDING. ME. OF. BRETT. --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:927634227] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>UGH. SEASON. STOP REMlNDING. ME. OF. BRETT.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xuxon 09/18/19 9:01:34 PM #438:	Underleveled posted... Oh Survivor is already on next week? I'm so unedited for this season. And the previews dont even care about the actual players. They're all about people who aren't even playing. please, we've seen this act before. they'll be playing at some point. --- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxkdr0uNc91qlu5jao1_r1_400.gif <cite>Xuxon posted [p:927634351] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Underleveled posted...</cite> <quote>Oh Survivor is already on next week? I'm so unedited for this season. And the previews dont even care about the actual players. They're all about people who aren't even playing.</quote> please, we've seen this act before. they'll be playing at some point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mewtwo59 09/18/19 9:02:19 PM #439:	Underleveled posted... Spoilers Jolly gonna last like six months outside the house. Now that's a pretty optimistic prediction. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 <cite>Mewtwo59 posted [p:927634387] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Underleveled posted... </cite> <quote>Spoilers Jolly gonna last like six months outside the house.</quote> Now that's a pretty optimistic prediction. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 09/18/19 9:06:48 PM #440:	Xuxon posted... Underleveled posted... Oh Survivor is already on next week? I'm so unedited for this season. And the previews dont even care about the actual players. They're all about people who aren't even playing. please, we've seen this act before. they'll be playing at some point. There are already 20 contestants. I'd be surprised if they joined. Especially considering ~~they are both confirmed playing in S40.~~ --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:927634575] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Xuxon posted...</cite> <quote>Underleveled posted...</cite> <quote>Oh Survivor is already on next week? I'm so unedited for this season. And the previews dont even care about the actual players. They're all about people who aren't even playing.</quote> please, we've seen this act before. they'll be playing at some point.</quote> There are already 20 contestants. I'd be surprised if they joined. Especially considering they are both confirmed playing in S40.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 09/18/19 9:08:05 PM #441:	Also idk why that says unedited. Should be uninterested. --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:927634635] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Also idk why that says unedited. Should be uninterested.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ringworm 09/18/19 9:26:34 PM #442:	__LeiaRolando__ posted... I'd have enjoyed this season if the edit wasn't a complete disaster. The editors should all be fired after this season because it was that terrible, and I can't place this season in my top half because of that. Shame, since this was a good cast and could have potentially been a great season, but alas. Yeah, the editing was awful, ads and previews made things even more obvious. I kept trying to convince myself they wouldn't make things so obvious, but nope. It did let the season down, but as you said it was a good cast which kept things enjoyable. All star season next year should be good - there have been as lot of decent players to choose from. --- ~ Ringworm ~ Congrats to Advokaiser - Guru champion - CBX <cite>Ringworm posted [p:927635402] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>__LeiaRolando__ posted...</cite> <quote>I'd have enjoyed this season if the edit wasn't a complete disaster. The editors should all be fired after this season because it was that terrible, and I can't place this season in my top half because of that. Shame, since this was a good cast and could have potentially been a great season, but alas.</quote> Yeah, the editing was awful, ads and previews made things even more obvious. I kept trying to convince myself they wouldn't make things so obvious, but nope. It did let the season down, but as you said it was a good cast which kept things enjoyable. All star season next year should be good - there have been as lot of decent players to choose from.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
__LeiaRolando__ 09/19/19 10:32:20 AM #443:	Ringworm posted... Yeah, the editing was awful, ads and previews made things even more obvious. I kept trying to convince myself they wouldn't make things so obvious, but nope. It did let the season down, but as you said it was a good cast which kept things enjoyable. All star season next year should be good - there have been as lot of decent players to choose from. The previews I saw allowed me to infer what was going to happen next, alongside the completely obvious buildups. The winner was advertised in neon lights to make for a more satisfying ending, but it had the exact opposite effect in that it instead removed all tension from the final stretch of the game. The good cast couldn't save this season simply because they weren't edited properly. I will NEVER live it down that Sam never got a single confessional. Casey should've been more of a focus as well given her snark, Daisy should have made more sense with her game moves, Simon should've received more airtime so we'd at least know who he was closest to, and... I could go on. They did a terrible job making this cast as great as it actually was. This season had all the makings of a great one, but it was squandered by the edit. You know it's bad when the first season was edited better. I hope All-Stars is better but I'm not holding my breath. I'm expecting a sloppy edit to ruin that one, too. I know most of the cast, but here's who I'd like to see back: S1: Nick, Flick, Kristie, Phoebe, Andrew or Craig S2: Michelle, Sarah, Tess, Jericho, Henry, AK, Locky S3: Benji, Sharn, Shane, Mat R, Shonee, Paige S4: Harry, David, Andy, Pia, Casey, Ross Benji being there meant I had to put Mat on and exclude Anneliese. I'd have put King Luke on here but he's already been on twice, and I don't like the idea of separating him from his family again. Would've really liked there to have been one more (theme-less) season before an All-Stars though, so we wouldn't have to put up with Lee and could feasibly get Ross back (who is obviously not on because he hasn't 100% healed). Feel as if doing it now means they want to wrap things up. --- ~ BlueCrystalTear at large ~ [this space still for lease 7 years later] https://imgur.com/sclpQaM <cite>__LeiaRolando__ posted [p:927654362] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Ringworm posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, the editing was awful, ads and previews made things even more obvious. I kept trying to convince myself they wouldn't make things so obvious, but nope. It did let the season down, but as you said it was a good cast which kept things enjoyable. All star season next year should be good - there have been as lot of decent players to choose from.</quote> The previews I saw allowed me to infer what was going to happen next, alongside the completely obvious buildups. The winner was advertised in neon lights to make for a more satisfying ending, but it had the exact opposite effect in that it instead removed all tension from the final stretch of the game. The good cast couldn't save this season simply because they weren't edited properly. I will NEVER live it down that Sam never got a single confessional. Casey should've been more of a focus as well given her snark, Daisy should have made more sense with her game moves, Simon should've received more airtime so we'd at least know who he was closest to, and... I could go on. They did a terrible job making this cast as great as it actually was. This season had all the makings of a great one, but it was squandered by the edit. You know it's bad when the first season was edited better. I hope All-Stars is better but I'm not holding my breath. I'm expecting a sloppy edit to ruin that one, too. I know most of the cast, but here's who I'd like to see back: S1: Nick, Flick, Kristie, Phoebe, Andrew or Craig S2: Michelle, Sarah, Tess, Jericho, Henry, AK, Locky S3: Benji, Sharn, Shane, Mat R, Shonee, Paige S4: Harry, David, Andy, Pia, Casey, Ross Benji being there meant I had to put Mat on and exclude Anneliese. I'd have put King Luke on here but he's already been on twice, and I don't like the idea of separating him from his family again. Would've really liked there to have been one more (theme-less) season before an All-Stars though, so we wouldn't have to put up with Lee and could feasibly get Ross back (who is obviously not on because he hasn't 100% healed). Feel as if doing it now means they want to wrap things up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
__LeiaRolando__ 09/19/19 10:39:30 AM #444:	Underleveled posted... Also idk why that says unedited. Should be uninterested. Also, yeah, I'm genuinely uninterested in Island of the Idols. The theme is dumb, the previews aren't advertising what I want them to, and I'm getting to a point where Survivor just isn't about the things that made me love it for so long anymore. It's about swaps, advantages, idols, gimmicks, and luck as opposed to the human elements that emerge when people are stripped to their cores and the social strategy that emerges when they are forced to manipulate each other. Survivor is long past its peak. At least Survivor SA is still really good. And as much as I shit on the horrible, horrible editing of Australian Survivor, it's still much better than Ghost Island and Edge of Extinction. --- ~ BlueCrystalTear at large ~ [this space still for lease 7 years later] https://imgur.com/sclpQaM <cite>__LeiaRolando__ posted [p:927654630] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Underleveled posted...</cite> <quote>Also idk why that says unedited. Should be uninterested.</quote> Also, yeah, I'm genuinely uninterested in Island of the Idols. The theme is dumb, the previews aren't advertising what I want them to, and I'm getting to a point where Survivor just isn't about the things that made me love it for so long anymore. It's about swaps, advantages, idols, gimmicks, and luck as opposed to the human elements that emerge when people are stripped to their cores and the social strategy that emerges when they are forced to manipulate each other. Survivor is long past its peak. At least Survivor SA is still really good. And as much as I shit on the horrible, horrible editing of Australian Survivor, it's still much better than Ghost Island and Edge of Extinction.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mewtwo59 09/19/19 10:44:30 AM #445:	I don't think Anneliese and Benji are mutually exclusive, especially with ~~both Rob and Amber being on Winners at War.~~ --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 <cite>Mewtwo59 posted [p:927654824] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>I don't think Anneliese and Benji are mutually exclusive, especially with both Rob and Amber being on Winners at War. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Espeon 09/19/19 11:16:57 AM #446:	The problem with modern Survivor (and Big Brother), and it plays into the edit of Ausvivor, is that the fans dont root for good television anymore. Fans have become so single-minded about needing the best player to win, and they get super disappointed when it doesnt happen. It used to be that Bob Crowley could win Gabon and the fans would award him the fan favorite prize as well. Nowadays though, you need to dominate the strategic landscape, find idols, orchestrate votes and blindsides, and make moves just for the sake of making moves, and the fans will lap it up. Ausvivor Spoilers: Female players tend to play less cutthroat than male players, and they deal more in the social game, which doesnt make for flashy television that the fans will appreciate, so the editors feel compelled to emphasize a female winner in the edit to justify them as a result. Thus: Pia, Sarah Lacina, Michele Fitzgerald. --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever https://imgur.com/SSw6M9E <cite>Espeon posted [p:927656120] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>The problem with modern Survivor (and Big Brother), and it plays into the edit of Ausvivor, is that the fans dont root for good television anymore. Fans have become so single-minded about needing the best player to win, and they get super disappointed when it doesnt happen. It used to be that Bob Crowley could win Gabon and the fans would award him the fan favorite prize as well. Nowadays though, you need to dominate the strategic landscape, find idols, orchestrate votes and blindsides, and make moves just for the sake of making moves, and the fans will lap it up. Ausvivor Spoilers: Female players tend to play less cutthroat than male players, and they deal more in the social game, which doesnt make for flashy television that the fans will appreciate, so the editors feel compelled to emphasize a female winner in the edit to justify them as a result. Thus: Pia, Sarah Lacina, Michele Fitzgerald.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mewtwo59 09/19/19 11:39:15 AM #447:	The thing is that Sarah did play really cutthroat. They just cut it all from the edit so we got things like "I'm gonna play like a criminal" without any examples of it. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 <cite>Mewtwo59 posted [p:927657016] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>The thing is that Sarah did play really cutthroat. They just cut it all from the edit so we got things like "I'm gonna play like a criminal" without any examples of it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Espeon 09/19/19 11:47:46 AM #448:	Mewtwo59 posted... The thing is that Sarah did play really cutthroat. They just cut it all from the edit so we got things like "I'm gonna play like a criminal" without any examples of it. Well thats the OTHER problem. Fans dont like passive, social gameplay, but they also dont like women (with negative edits), so female winners need to be completely whitewashed and inoffensive, then overpimped and obvious in the edit, to avoid as much backlash as possible. --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever https://imgur.com/SSw6M9E <cite>Espeon posted [p:927657356] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Mewtwo59 posted...</cite> <quote>The thing is that Sarah did play really cutthroat. They just cut it all from the edit so we got things like "I'm gonna play like a criminal" without any examples of it. </quote> Well thats the OTHER problem. Fans dont like passive, social gameplay, but they also dont like women (with negative edits), so female winners need to be completely whitewashed and inoffensive, then overpimped and obvious in the edit, to avoid as much backlash as possible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
__LeiaRolando__ 09/19/19 11:48:55 AM #449:	Mewtwo59 posted... I don't think Anneliese and Benji are mutually exclusive, especially with ~~both Rob and Amber being on Winners at War.~~ Fair point, but I don't think Australian Survivor, which has a different approach to casting, would go the same route with a larger casting pool, even if a brother/sister deal wouldn't be as unbreakable of an alliance as a husband/wife. You can't divorce your sibling. There wouldn't be the same potential life-ruining implications. Mewtwo59 posted... The thing is that Sarah did play really cutthroat. They just cut it all from the edit so we got things like "I'm gonna play like a criminal" without any examples of it. The edit of Lame Changers was horrendous for a different reason: They never explained why people were threats, and instead just told us. It made it hard to follow because it didn't make any sense. Espeon posted... The problem with modern Survivor (and Big Brother), and it plays into the edit of Ausvivor, is that the fans dont root for good television anymore. Fans have become so single-minded about needing the best player to win, and they get super disappointed when it doesnt happen. There's a reason why that GoFundMe for King Luke happened - because the fans were all upset about him losing. "Waahh waahh my favorite didn't win and he should have! TAKE MY MONEY!" Luke should donate over half of that sum to help other families like his. And I did think that maybe they made Pia's winner's edit so obvious so people wouldn't be so upset about King Luke getting 4th, but alas, it didn't help, and instead ruined the season. I think the source of that problem is an evolution of Survivor that was unintentional, with the way Hantz was edited as the clear protagonist of Samoa and people got upset when his stealthier ally took it from him when he insulted the jury. Ever since, they've wanted to prevent that "travesty" (hint: It isn't one) and so has Probst. It is killing the show and I've lost all interest in being a part of the fandom. --- ~ BlueCrystalTear at large ~ [this space still for lease 7 years later] https://imgur.com/sclpQaM <cite>__LeiaRolando__ posted [p:927657412] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Mewtwo59 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't think Anneliese and Benji are mutually exclusive, especially with both Rob and Amber being on Winners at War. </quote> Fair point, but I don't think Australian Survivor, which has a different approach to casting, would go the same route with a larger casting pool, even if a brother/sister deal wouldn't be as unbreakable of an alliance as a husband/wife. You can't divorce your sibling. There wouldn't be the same potential life-ruining implications. Mewtwo59 posted...</cite> <quote>The thing is that Sarah did play really cutthroat. They just cut it all from the edit so we got things like "I'm gonna play like a criminal" without any examples of it.</quote> The edit of Lame Changers was horrendous for a different reason: They never explained why people were threats, and instead just told us. It made it hard to follow because it didn't make any sense. Espeon posted...</cite> <quote>The problem with modern Survivor (and Big Brother), and it plays into the edit of Ausvivor, is that the fans dont root for good television anymore. Fans have become so single-minded about needing the best player to win, and they get super disappointed when it doesnt happen.</quote> There's a reason why that GoFundMe for King Luke happened - because the fans were all upset about him losing. "Waahh waahh my favorite didn't win and he should have! TAKE MY MONEY!" Luke should donate over half of that sum to help other families like his. And I did think that maybe they made Pia's winner's edit so obvious so people wouldn't be so upset about King Luke getting 4th, but alas, it didn't help, and instead ruined the season. I think the source of that problem is an evolution of Survivor that was unintentional, with the way Hantz was edited as the clear protagonist of Samoa and people got upset when his stealthier ally took it from him when he insulted the jury. Ever since, they've wanted to prevent that "travesty" (hint: It isn't one) and so has Probst. It is killing the show and I've lost all interest in being a part of the fandom.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 09/19/19 12:59:59 PM #450:	Yeah, most of the people I know personally who watch BB are rooting for Jackson to win. And they rooted for Tyler, and they rooted for Paul. In other words, whoever the TV edit depicts as the "best" player. And on Survivor, superfan players have caught onto this and are trying to play into it, which sucks because they finally started casting more superfans and now they are just gamebots. Which is why it's so rare these days that we get a straight-up "character." By which I mean someone who serves almost no strategic purpose in the edit and is purely this over-the-top personality. When we used to have one or two almost every season. --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:927660315] in Big Brothe... [t:77890048]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, most of the people I know personally who watch BB are rooting for Jackson to win. And they rooted for Tyler, and they rooted for Paul. In other words, whoever the TV edit depicts as the "best" player. And on Survivor, superfan players have caught onto this and are trying to play into it, which sucks because they finally started casting more superfans and now they are just gamebots. Which is why it's so rare these days that we get a straight-up "character." By which I mean someone who serves almost no strategic purpose in the edit and is purely this over-the-top personality. When we used to have one or two almost every season.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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