Board 8 > Undertale losing was ridiciulous.

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XIII_rocks posted...

Holy fuck.

Solidarity because I'm glad I'm not the only one here listening to these people and having to feel like I'm beating my head against a wall.

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ExThaNemesis posted...

If Cuphead goes from losing its first match to a bottom feeder to suddenly getting more votes ITSELF than any of the previous matches had COMBINED, I would probably be pretty disgusted.

So you'll be mad because it jumbles up the xstats?

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Thenenen posted...

So you'll be mad because it jumbles up the xstats?

bro I haven't even made a bracket this time around. I won't be mad about anything other than the fact that our contests are clearly not even ours anymore.

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XIII_rocks posted...

Holy fuck.

XIII_rocks posted...

Snake isn't exclusionary like Draven is (Snake is a well-established gaming icon),

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snake_5036 posted...

One of them had a fanbase come in to make a meme joke character win and made this board insufferable to be on while insulting everyone and the other was tracexcalibur and a few other accounts that are legitimately big fans of Undertale bringing attention to the poll, then parts of this board, and most especially you, started to be lame and whiny about it (and that's an extremely nice way of putting it) which kickstarted the fanbase coming over here to rightfully mock y'all for being assholes.

If only you weren't so heavily anti-big rallies to the point that you start to insult genuine fans for voting for something they enjoy, Undertale wouldn't have gotten the support of the entire internet against you for laughs. \_()_/

The revisionist history on offer here truly is amazing. I'm also glad that you think I wield enough power to get the ENTIRE INTERNET to rise up against me, but I have to respectfully disagree.

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ExThaNemesis posted...

bro I haven't even made a bracket this time around. I won't be mad about anything other than the fact that our contests are clearly not even ours anymore.

Tribalist.

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Screenshots of your inflammatory posts were shared across tumblr, twitter, and 4chan at a minimum mocking you for being mad about a video game poll. There is no revisionism in my post.

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I mean why did we put chester in this contest and vote for it? Probably not because it was in our top 20 games of all time, but more because it was a lovable indie game and we wanted to give it support. If I could have rallied for chester to win during that time I def would have (and I feel like most board 8ers would have too)

More to the kinda point you're making, LoL and Undetale are both insanely popular games, Sans is in smash bros for christ sakes, which is a quicker turnaround than cloud or snake got from the release of their games to their appearance. Its not like these games/characters didnt deserve to win on their own merits

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Well now you're changing your story. A second ago, people were so enraged by my posts specifically they flooded the website to vote for Undertale. Now they were just laughing at me on tumblr? Which is it?

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Let me just restate/expand a little then:

Rallies become "bad" when:

1) a very weak entrant becomes god-tier
2) it brings a legion of trolls and bad feeling to the board with it (and no, b8ers aren't innocent, I'm certainly not)
3) the rallied entrants actually wins the contest
4) most people aren't in on the fun
5) they don't match b8 preference (again, nebulous, since even some people who enjoyed LoL started to get ticked off with Draven)

Draven did all of these things. Undertale did all of these things but did some of them...less. L-Block didn't do 2 or 4 (or 5, obviously). No other rally has hit all 5 of those.

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For the record I would prefer if my words/posts weren't used in the pca

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I liked L-Block a lot at the time because I was single-mindedly about Link losing, but I can now definitely understand the people who were disgusted with it and I'm certainly not going to hold them to a ridiculous "either you like all rallies or you don't, there's no middle ground!" standard.

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XIII_rocks posted...

4) most people aren't in on the fun

If most people weren't "in on the fun", as you put it, no rally would have won. You're saying, once again, Board 8 was not in on the fun, but the contest wasn't made for Board 8. If that was the case, why would unregistered people even be allowed to vote?
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XIII_rocks posted...

4) most people aren't in on the fun
5) they don't match b8 preference (again, nebulous, since even some people who enjoyed LoL started to get ticked off with Draven)

These are pretty much the same thing.
Also, stop blaming Melee on Undertale.

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got to love hb's habit of picking one thing out of a post and "refuting" it as though it wins him the entire argument. It's very cool.

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Hbthebattle posted...

Snake isn't exclusionary like Draven is (Snake is a well-established gaming icon),

What point are you trying to make here? Draven is an inside joke (admittedly an inside joke for a very large fanbase, but an inside joke nonetheless). Snake is definitely not. That particular point is nothing to do with sheer preference.

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ExThaNemesis posted...

got to love hb's habit of picking one thing out of a post and "refuting" it as though it wins him the entire argument. It's very cool.

Have I not already argued the point that a criteria like "B8 dislikes the entrant" is a double standard?
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XIII_rocks posted...

What point are you trying to make here? Draven is an inside joke (admittedly an inside joke for a very large fanbase, but an inside joke nonetheless). Snake is definitely not. That particular point is nothing to do with sheer preference.

Why do you assume that every Draven voter was voting in bad faith? You did it with Undertale's voters, too. Why do you assume that they're just trying to wreck the context for your own amusement?
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1) a very weak entrant becomes god-tier

I dont think this happens though? Tons of rallies were tried that would just get a bad character to the top because its "funny" i wont deny this is a percentage of undertale and draven votes but those votes wouldnt be there without the giant mass appeal of games

2) it brings a legion of trolls and bad feeling to the board with it (and no, b8ers aren't innocent, I'm certainly not)

This is kinda outside of "rallies" tho. This is contest season in general. Like undertale probably broughy less garbage users to the board than a 2006 contest did.

3) the rallied entrants actually wins the contest

Why rally if you're not aiming for the top?

4) most people aren't in on the fun

Man undertale was a blast, and probably the most fun this board has been. I mean the majority of people on this board seem to like it, or at least, played and not hate it.

5) they don't match b8 preference (again, nebulous, since even some people who enjoyed LoL started to get ticked off with Draven)

This kinda is the "not the character I like" argument so I'm not going to really touch it

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Hbthebattle posted...

If most people weren't "in on the fun", as you put it, no rally would have won. You're saying, once again, Board 8 was not in on the fun, but the contest wasn't made for Board 8. If that was the case, why would unregistered people even be allowed to vote?

The hell is this?

We're talking about the reaction of users on b8 to rallies.

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Anyway I'm done, sorry that you Undertale fans are having such a bad time LOL ROFL GUYS I SAID THE LINE GET IT HAHAH FUNNY BEST GAME OF ALL TIME

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Like I swear guys I am not trying to be inflammatory here but this really does feel like an argument that can be summed up with "more votes"

God board 8 has made me so fucking zen

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Also I'm fine with undertale losing to octopath, Sans is in smash. Like its got nothing left to prove as a game, it made it to game valhalla

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ExThaNemesis posted...

people were so enraged by my posts specifically they flooded the website to vote for Undertale. Now they were just laughing at me on tumblr? Which is it?

1) People started out with Undertale support because they genuinely liked it. This was not a god tier rally starting out. It barely scraped past Fallout after half a day of votes coming in.

2) Certain users on this board began behaving like children.

3) Folks that were directed here for Undertale catch wind of these posts and share them. This transforms the rally into one of both love and also to make these posters eat crow for being stupid.

4) Undertale goes on to crush this contest because of these users that were mad about an inconsequential video game poll. Even though there was no evidence this rally, starting out, would be sustainable across the whole contest or even be able to defeat juggernaut games instead of just... Fallout. Shout out to that one poster on here that keeps reminding everyone they called Undertale bulldozing from the start.

I feel like you're trying to get me to admit that part of the rally was related to trolling/making some users mad to go "Aha! Just like Draven!" except Undertale didn't start out as an unprompted site flood for the lulz. It started out of genuine appreciation for the game. Folks like you gave rallyers a different reason to support the game, against your better judgments. They aren't comparable at all, except on the surface in that they were big and successful rallies.

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Hbthebattle posted...

Why do you assume that every Draven voter was voting in bad faith? You did it with Undertale's voters, too. Why do you assume that they're just trying to wreck the context for your own amusement?

Where did I assume that? I'm not saying "joke" like they're doing it to screw b8, I mean "joke" like Draven was literally a meme more than anything else. It's "Man it'd be hilarious [to us and us alone] if Draven won this!" not "it'd be hilarious to piss off all those gamefaqs nerds!".

Hopefully you now stop with the weird assumptions and misreadings - I see now I'll need to make my points extra clear.

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And for the record, its a little superstitious but I dont think undertale would have won if not for extha. The over the top topics and shenanigans really sold the "hahaha this is a funny thing to do" and he really was one of the loudest people of the board during this time

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Hb since snake is parading around this topic with an Undertale quote in his signature and trying to point out a difference between rallies, will you now criticise him and his hypocrisy, or are you too busy not properly reading my posts?

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XIII_rocks posted...

Where did I assume that? I'm not saying "joke" like they're doing it to screw b8, I mean "joke" like Draven was literally a meme more than anything else. It's "Man it'd be hilarious [to us and us alone] if Draven won this!" not "it'd be hilarious to piss off all those gamefaqs nerds!".

Hopefully you now stop with the weird assumptions and misreadings - I see now I'll need to make my points extra clear.

Again, you're assuming bad faith by eliminating the possibility that Draven or Undertale voters were genuine in their love for the character or game. You've said multiple times that you think Undertale voters at the time must have been "lying" in thinking that the game was the "best game ever". That is absolutely still viewing the voters to be voting in bad faith.
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Pointing out a difference in motivation for two rallies =/= not supporting one rally

It seems the only side that lacks nuance and understanding is the side that's been wrong for 5 years and counting.

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snake_5036 posted...

Pointing out a difference in motivation for two rallies =/= not supporting one rally

It seems the only side that lacks nuance and understanding is the side that's been wrong for 5 years and counting.

Ah well done you've successfully avoided hb's ire with this vital information - I'm sure he was just about to line up a post castigating you so well done

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Hbthebattle posted...

Again, you're assuming bad faith by eliminating the possibility that Draven or Undertale voters were genuine in their love for the character or game. You've said multiple times that you think Undertale voters at the time must have been "lying" in thinking that the game was the "best game ever". That is absolutely still viewing the voters to be voting in bad faith.

No, because voting for something because you think it's funny is totally normal and not at all "bad faith". You're still not understanding the Undertale point but that's ok since we went over that yesterday.

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XIII_rocks posted...

Ah well done you've successfully avoided hb's ire with this vital information - I'm sure he was just about to line up a post castigating you so well done

Ah yes, snidely attacking me definitely helps your argument
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SantaRPidgey posted...

1) a very weak entrant becomes god-tier

I dont think this happens though? Tons of rallies were tried that would just get a bad character to the top because its "funny" i wont deny this is a percentage of undertale and draven votes but those votes wouldnt be there without the giant mass appeal of games

2) it brings a legion of trolls and bad feeling to the board with it (and no, b8ers aren't innocent, I'm certainly not)

This is kinda outside of "rallies" tho. This is contest season in general. Like undertale probably broughy less garbage users to the board than a 2006 contest did.

3) the rallied entrants actually wins the contest

Why rally if you're not aiming for the top?

4) most people aren't in on the fun

Man undertale was a blast, and probably the most fun this board has been. I mean the majority of people on this board seem to like it, or at least, played and not hate it.

5) they don't match b8 preference (again, nebulous, since even some people who enjoyed LoL started to get ticked off with Draven)

This kinda is the "not the character I like" argument so I'm not going to really touch it

OK I'm glad to see a post that actually gets into it a bit.

1) I'm not sure I understand. The rally made Draven and Undertale top-tier entrants in that contest when they were both handily losing their R1 matches. Are you denying that? I'm not saying the intent was to deliberately make a weak character strong but that is what happened.

2) The rally specifically caused that, especially with Draven. And when the board is quieter even a few trolls make a bigger difference than in 2006. We're talking about why people feel the way they do. It can't be separated - Draven's win and the shit it caused are intrinsically linked.

3) Sure, but, again, we're talking about perception and feeling towards rallies. Not the aim of the ralliers/rallied themselves.

4) Undertale as a contest entrant is not Undertale the game. And the game only just came out when the rally happened so less of the board had played it.

5) Absolutely is, yes, because like I said it's not not a factor, just not the only factor.

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also want to say re: my Tifa rally

I have no problem with people getting upset at rallies that cost their character matches, because again I don't feel the need to hold people to some YOU LIKE THEM ALL OR HATE THEM ALL standard that makes no room for complexity or nuance lol

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ExThaNemesis posted...

also want to say re: my Tifa rally

I have no problem with people getting upset at rallies that cost their character matches, because again I don't feel the need to hold people to some YOU LIKE THEM ALL OR HATE THEM ALL standard that makes no room for complexity or nuance lol

Or that it's okay to just admit that you hated a rally because something you didn't like won instead of trying to find some sort of "no this is DIFFERENT" reasoning for it.

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ExThaNemesis posted...

also want to say re: my Tifa rally

I have no problem with people getting upset at rallies that cost their character matches, because again I don't feel the need to hold people to some YOU LIKE THEM ALL OR HATE THEM ALL standard that makes no room for complexity or nuance lol

You rally when it benefits for you and its a character you, but you complain more than anyone else when you lose to rallies in turn. Is this not hypocritical?
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TheRock1525 posted...

Or that it's okay to just admit that you hated a rally because something you didn't like won instead of trying to find some sort of "no this is DIFFERENT" reasoning for it.

A rally you hate can win and also be different. I don't understand why you guys have to be right about every rally being the exact same thing when there's such clear obvious differences.

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TheRock1525 posted...

Or that it's okay to just admit that you hated a rally because something you didn't like won instead of trying to find some sort of "no this is DIFFERENT" reasoning for it.

Nobody needs to "try and find" that reasoning, it's self-evident. You were here in 2013.

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Nah XIC, all rallies are the same exact thing. There's no difference between Mario's Planet Gamcube rally, Draven's reddit rally, and my Tifa hentai rallies.

ALL THE SAME THING

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stupid and not needed?

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Personally, regardless of all this fuss, I found Undertale to be one of the best games Ive played this decade. It had a lot of heart and it made me laugh more than a few times. The extreme level of vitriol still here, Im surprised that Im actually a little surprised by how serious it is, but I am. Its a shame a game about looking past the surface and finding common ground through understanding is getting so many people to dismiss it without a second look. And hey, if you just arent interested, obviously thats fine. But dont let these polls dictate your taste, youre just making yourself angry and unhappy.

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also I'm fair sure the hentai rally wasn't even my idea and yet I somehow get all the credit for it.

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MyMainAccount posted...

Personally, regardless of all this fuss, I found Undertale to be one of the best games Ive played this decade. It had a lot of heart and it made me laugh more than a few times. The extreme level of vitriol still here, Im surprised that Im actually a little surprised by how serious it is, but I am. Its a shame a game about looking past the surface and finding common ground through understanding is getting so many people to dismiss it without a second look. And hey, if you just arent interested, obviously thats fine. But dont let these polls dictate your taste, youre just making yourself angry and unhappy.

Amen

MyMainAccount posted...

Personally, regardless of all this fuss, I found Undertale to be one of the best games Ive played this decade. It had a lot of heart and it made me laugh more than a few times. The extreme level of vitriol still here, Im surprised that Im actually a little surprised by how serious it is, but I am. Its a shame a game about looking past the surface and finding common ground through understanding is getting so many people to dismiss it without a second look. And hey, if you just arent interested, obviously thats fine. But dont let these polls dictate your taste, youre just making yourself angry and unhappy.

Sad thing is: I actually like the game quite a lot. Not even BSing. It was good, even though I've never been good at bullet hells. Had a lot of interesting and fun ideas and it was so...confidently made somehow. And good soundtrack.

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If I ever come on this board and tell you I lowered myself to playing Undertale, it's safe to assume my account has been hacked or that I've been killed and an imposter is using my account. I will never play that filth.

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ExThaNemesis posted...

If I ever come on this board and tell you I lowered myself to playing Undertale, it's safe to assume my account has been hacked or that I've been killed and an imposter is using my account. I will never play that filth.

This is a real statement by 30+ year old man.

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ExThaNemesis posted...

If I ever come on this board and tell you I lowered myself to playing Undertale, it's safe to assume my account has been hacked or that I've been killed and an imposter is using my account. I will never play that filth.

yikes. Imagine being this irrational over a video game lol.

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I thought ExTha was getting better.

Whoops.

ExThaNemesis posted...

If I ever come on this board and tell you I lowered myself to playing Undertale, it's safe to assume my account has been hacked or that I've been killed and an imposter is using my account. I will never play that filth.

https://i.imgur.com/ctR9Q5W.jpg
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