Board 8 > Hopefully, this charade finally convinces Allen contests must end for good

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Vlado
12/19/11 3:37:00 AM
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How much more embarrassment can this site take?

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Pram_the_Oracle
12/19/11 3:37:00 AM
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Until the end of time

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linkhatesganon
12/19/11 3:50:00 AM
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Oh.

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Safer Sephiroth 777
12/19/11 3:56:00 AM
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I am with ya.Not because Clouderoth is losing to Pokemon but because there is not a change for someone to beat Link.I am including Mario too.I know they are populars but how many times can you have the same winner in contests?Make a contest where ALL video game characters can participate.Batman,Songoku,Homer.At least it will be something different.Retire Link too.

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ctesjbuvf
12/19/11 3:57:00 AM
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It's a shame this contest was like this, cause last one, Game of the Decade, was one of the best we've had.

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JDTAY
12/19/11 3:58:00 AM
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I'll only let them end contests if they end this board too.

They could make it into a Hello Kitty social board.

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Vlado
12/19/11 4:03:00 AM
#7:


ctesjbuvf posted...
It's a shame this contest was like this, cause last one, Game of the Decade, was one of the best we've had.

Nope, it was a total farce. In the absence of ocarina of time, Zelda fanboys flooded to the closest thing.

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ctesjbuvf
12/19/11 4:09:00 AM
#8:


Honestly it's a kinda dumb situration. Cause the last few months before the contest, everybody wanted a contest to come since the board had died out, then throughout the whole contest they all complained about it.

But then again, a rivalry contest probably wasn't the best idea.

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ctesjbuvf
12/19/11 4:11:00 AM
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Vlado posted...
Nope, it was a total farce. In the absence of ocarina of time, Zelda fanboys flooded to the closest thing.

You could say so, yes I was disappointed too, not the game I wanted to win, and a difference would be nice, but hey, none of us saw it coming. We all had FFX, Brawl and Melee. Many had MM losing to GSC in round 3. The contest was unpredictable from the start to the end. It wasn't before the final was underway we were sure that MM would win.

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Vlado
12/19/11 4:15:00 AM
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Oh, that's true. We didn't expect Zelda fanboys to be THAT blind, sure.

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ctesjbuvf
12/19/11 4:20:00 AM
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Apparently we didn't. About 4% of all guessed that one right, one of the most surprising results in the history of these contests. L-Block, Chariazrd and Mewtwo are the only results more surprising.

BT won the guru even though he picked Brawl to win and didn't get those 64 points or how many it is you get for the final. Not even we, the so called contestexperts saw it coming.

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Vlado
12/19/11 4:21:00 AM
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The problem is that it's become crystal clear that nintendo beats everything. Apparently even characters that used to pwn Link.

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Lightning Strikes
12/19/11 4:28:00 AM
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From: Vlado | #010
Oh, that's true. We didn't expect Zelda fanboys to be THAT blind, sure.


Yes, I was shocked, shocked, when Twilight Princess beat Brawl. There really is no stopping these Zelda fanboys.

But seriously, I'd think results like today's are a good reason contests should continue. I mean, most people on the board didn't even take the Trainers over the Fighters, and here they are beating Clouderoth! That's an awesome upset, and if the contest had more matches like this (that actually mattered) then it would have been a lot better. Link needs to go, but other than that there's no reason to get rid of contests as a whole.

Plus, we still need that 1v1 Best Game Ever contest. Put FFVII, OoT, and MM in a tournament of champions and suddenly the winner could conceivably go 5 or 6 ways. And it would certainly actually pull decent votals based off of last year. No reason to stop just because of one bad contest.

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vcharon
12/19/11 4:31:00 AM
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FFVII has 0% chance of winning a contest with Zelda in it today.

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Lightning Strikes
12/19/11 4:31:00 AM
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From: Vlado | #052
The problem is that it's become crystal clear that nintendo beats everything. Apparently even characters that used to pwn Link.


Once again, Game contest. Fallout 3 beat a Nintendo big dog last year and came very close to another. Skyrim would do the same. Hell, they may have fallen off recently but FFX and Chrono Trigger would still do some damage against big Nintendo titles.

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Vlado
12/19/11 4:38:00 AM
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I wish this guy were just joking, but sadly, he's actually serious... One more reason why contests must end.

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Lightning Strikes
12/19/11 4:50:00 AM
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I know it's Vlado, but I'll just leave these here:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4189
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4193
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4507

Nintendo always wins!

Except against Bethesda, apparently.

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Safer Sephiroth 777
12/19/11 4:57:00 AM
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Okay Nintendo games can lose.I mean a Mario game lost against Halo 3!But listen.We mean the really popular games.Like Mario 64,Super Mario Bros,Melee,Brawl,any Zelda game...These games are way too tough for anyone to beat,except each other.Okay maybe 1-2 games can beat some of them but that is.

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MoogleKupo141
12/19/11 5:00:00 AM
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I don't understand why anyone would actually want the contests to end. Sure, this one kind of sucked, but it's still more interesting and potentially lucrative than polls of the day.

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The_Djoker
12/19/11 5:10:00 AM
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This is why Game contests > Stupid Character contests.

People are more passionate about Games thna they are with Characters.

Halo 3 Beating Mario Sunshine was a good example. Sunshine sucked so Mario fanbase didn't get behind it.

There is so much potential for a NON era bracket Games contest 1v1(4 round 12 hour matches) with 128 Entrants over around 2 months

This is GAMEfaqs. Not characterFaqs.

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Lucky4815162342
12/19/11 5:17:00 AM
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Everything was wrong with this contest. The idea sucked. And it didn't help that the bracket was very poorly set up. Give me (or anyone who really knows the stats) the opportunity to make the bracket, and... I may not be able to stop Link from winning... but I could create a bracket where 3/4 of the matches would be in debate, and it would at least still be fun.
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shane15
12/19/11 5:19:00 AM
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If Mario and Sonic had been together they'd have owned Link.

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Wedge Antilles
12/19/11 5:21:00 AM
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mad ffvii fan is mad

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The_Djoker
12/19/11 5:22:00 AM
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From: shane15 | #022
If Mario and Sonic had been together they'd have owned Link.


Characters that Link got 65 and 70 on ? LOL no. The only match Link would be likely to lose to is a Cloud/ Solid Snake

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Vlado
12/19/11 5:30:00 AM
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Lightning Strikes posted...
I know it's Vlado, but I'll just leave these here:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4189
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4193
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4507

Nintendo always wins!

Except against Bethesda, apparently.


Only the first poll is any support whatsoever to your "point"... And it only proves that the highest tier non-Nintendo games can beat mid-tier Nintendo games. Wow, you sure owned me.

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Kloggmonkey
12/19/11 5:46:00 AM
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oh vlado never change :3

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shane15
12/19/11 5:57:00 AM
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From: The_Djoker | Posted: 12/19/2011 1:22:34 PM | #024
Characters that Link got 65 and 70 on ? LOL no. The only match Link would be likely to lose to is a Cloud/ Solid Snake




Mario and Sonic together would win.It's different having Link against them seperate.If they didn't win then yeah just end these contests.

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Lightning Strikes
12/19/11 6:02:00 AM
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From: Vlado | #105
Only the first poll is any support whatsoever to your "point"... And it only proves that the highest tier non-Nintendo games can beat mid-tier Nintendo games. Wow, you sure owned me.


lol

Metroid Prime was pretty beastly last year, and Brawl may just be the second strongest Nintendo game (yes, it lost to MM, with bandwagon and rally power). I mean, Metroid Prime is probably top 10 Nintendo games in strength. From the reception and sales, Skyward Sword is probably that level or higher. Now, Skyrim beat that in several polls, and would logically beat Fallout 3 pretty easily. So yeah, Skyrim could probably challenge, though maybe not beat, Brawl. And if you can beat Brawl, without FFVII or OoT in the way, you're a possible winner. I don't think Skyrim would win a games contest, but it would definitely be a possibility, and would prove that strong Nintendo games don't always win.

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Vlado
12/19/11 6:08:00 AM
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WTF... What game contest? It could win game of 2011, sure, but that's not much of an achievement, as many Zelda fans already admit Skyward Sword to be underwhelming.

Today's match proves that things have gotten completely ridiculous on this site - even third tier Nintendo characters can now have a close match with the best non-Nintendo.

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The_Djoker
12/19/11 6:10:00 AM
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Skyrim wouldn't come close to older Nintendo games though Brawl isn't that strong when you factor in 80's 90's games. If Majora can beat Brawl Even with rallies( i mean at the end of the day if you're being antivoted then it's your own fault) then a handful of games can beat Brawl

I'd take all of these games now to Beat Brawl though some of them would be close

Chrono Trigger(close)
Link to the Past
Mario 64
Mario Bros 3
Mario World(close)
Pokemon Red & BLue


We still don't know Skyrim's strength yet. It would be very strong but it's still VERY new. Lets see how things stand 6-12 months from now. Winning GOTY polls(which it should do) won't matter tha t much i don't eve beleive Skyward Sword will be that strong either, probably below Wind Waker level. It has the lowest user average of the last 5 major console Zeldas.

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The_Djoker
12/19/11 6:11:00 AM
#31:


From: Vlado | #029
WTF... What game contest? It could win game of 2011, sure, but that's not much of an achievement, as many Zelda fans already admit Skyward Sword to be underwhelming.

Today's match proves that things have gotten completely ridiculous on this site - even third tier Nintendo characters can now have a close match with the best non-Nintendo.


Pokemon REd or pokemon Blue on their own would get doubled by Cloud. Lets not use these Crappy Rivalries as an indication to anything.

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Dark Silvergun
12/19/11 6:16:00 AM
#32:


Just make the 16 that reached the Division Final ineligible for the next contest.

So that eliminates all of these characters from the nomination phase:

Mario vs. Bowser
Sonic vs. Dr. Robotnik
X vs. Zero
Sub-Zero vs. Scorpion
Pokemon Trainer Red vs. Blue
Ryu vs. Ken
Samus vs. Ridley
Big Boss vs. The Boss
Link vs. Ganondorf
Mega Man vs. Dr. Wily
Alucard vs. Dracula
Frog vs. Magus
Cloud vs. Sephiroth
Solid Snake vs. Liquid Snake
Squall vs. Seifer
Sora vs. Riku

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Lightning Strikes
12/19/11 6:25:00 AM
#33:


From: The_Djoker | #110
We still don't know Skyrim's strength yet. It would be very strong but it's still VERY new. Lets see how things stand 6-12 months from now. Winning GOTY polls(which it should do) won't matter tha t much i don't eve beleive Skyward Sword will be that strong either, probably below Wind Waker level. It has the lowest user average of the last 5 major console Zeldas.


No, it has the lowest REVIEW average. It has the highest rating average of any Zelda game since OoT, and given that that's a much larger sample size, that's a far, far more accurate basis. Hell, the reviews for games are always markedly lower than one would expect (and the ratings) because whiners want to make their voices heard. All the reviews signify is a vocal minority.

Edit: may as well list the rating averages just to be clear.

Ocarina of Time: 9.3
Majora's Mask: 8.9
The Wind Waker: 8.7
Twilight Princess: 8.8 (lol)
Skyward Sword: 9.1

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pirate109
12/19/11 6:32:00 AM
#34:


Contests can still be plenty of fun even if we know what the strongest entrants are. There are always going to be debatable matches at some point unless the bracket is dreadful (like this one, though there were still a few). I think people are majorly overreacting because this contest has been so dull. I don't understand people saying they want contests to end when they can just choose not to get involved in them if they prefer, it can't be worse than endless polls like "what is your favourite colour" and "how often do you eat dessert" lol...

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The_Djoker
12/19/11 6:38:00 AM
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From: Lightning Strikes | #033
No, it has the lowest REVIEW average. It has the highest rating average of any Zelda game since OoT, and given that that's a much larger sample size, that's a far, far more accurate basis. Hell, the reviews for games are always markedly lower than one would expect (and the ratings) because whiners want to make their voices heard. All the reviews signify is a vocal minority.

Edit: may as well list the rating averages just to be clear.

Ocarina of Time: 9.3
Majora's Mask: 8.9
The Wind Waker: 8.7
Twilight Princess: 8.8 (lol)
Skyward Sword: 9.1




People rate games who have not played it.

Also if you're saying SS is going to be the 2nd strongest 3D zelda because of that then something is wrong.

SS was a great game, but it was nothing groundbreaking. It will probably fall in between WW and TP in terms of strength maybe a bit lower. IT's also on the Wii which doesn't help it.

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12/19/11 6:53:00 AM
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Vlado | Posted 12/19/2011 9:08:48 AM | message detail | quote
Today's match proves that things have gotten completely ridiculous on this site - even third tier Nintendo characters can now have a close match with the best non-Nintendo.


This result could be blamed on Cloud/Sephiroth sucking in this format, which explains why they were badly killed by Link yesterday. But currently, Cloud/Sephiroth are making a comeback and should take the lead very soon and eventually win the match.

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RainingMetal
12/19/11 7:09:00 AM
#37:


I thought they might have realized when they put out the first contest.

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Lightning Strikes
12/19/11 7:10:00 AM
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From: The_Djoker | #155
People rate games who have not played it.

Also if you're saying SS is going to be the 2nd strongest 3D zelda because of that then something is wrong.

SS was a great game, but it was nothing groundbreaking. It will probably fall in between WW and TP in terms of strength maybe a bit lower. IT's also on the Wii which doesn't help it.


You're projecting. YOU don't think it was groundbreaking, most disagree. Hell, it's pretty naive to assume that the only reason the rating is so high is because of people who haven't played it. Look at the collection stats for proof that you're wrong:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/wii/960633-the-legend-of-zelda-skyward-sword/stats

More people are listed as owning at than rating it, for one thing, not to mention the people who have played it without owning (renting or dubious techniques). There may be a few people who rate without playing, but at over a month after the game's release with most people now having played it, that's clearly not any significant amount of people.

Besides, GameFAQs doesn't let you rate games you aren't listed as having played, and do you really think a significant amount of people would lie? And if they do that, what's stopping them from writing a review? Nothing.

You cannot take a sample as relatively small as the people who reviewed the game to mean anything, not when there is a much larger, naturally more accurate sample right next to it. That just flies in the face of statistics.

And no, it being a Wii game won't hurt it any more than it hurts Twilight Princess. Hell, three of the strongest current generation games (and GotY winners) are Wii exclusives. Last year's runner-up was a Wii exclusive, as is this year's almost inevitable runner-up. People don't like the Wii as a whole but it doesn't hurt the games.

And no, I don't expect it to be stronger than TP or Majora's Mask, but I do think it would beat Wind Waker at least.

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XIII_rocks
12/19/11 7:16:00 AM
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LS.

This is shameful.

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Lightning Strikes
12/19/11 7:18:00 AM
#40:


From: XIII_rocks | #159
LS.

This is shameful.


You're right, I'll stop now.

I just can't help myself when people say stupid things. It's a curse.

But I will say lol thinking anyone played TP on the Gamecube.

Now leaving topic.

Pchoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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The_Djoker
12/19/11 7:19:00 AM
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Sorry but I have not come across ANYONE who thinks SS is groundbreaking. I played and beat SS the first 4 days, after that I hang arund the boards for a while, it still got a lot of hate but majority of fans liked the game. Noone is treating this game as the be all end all. Also a lot of games get high user ratings. This is Zelda we're talking about. I'm not saying SS is going to be a weak game...i'm saying it's not going to go on and challenge for Contests wins in the future.

And if you think it's between WW and TP you're basically agreeing with me. I said it would fall into that sort of strength but honestly...if SS and WW was to compete 1v1 say next year i'd still take WW.


Also TP was on GC btw. IF TP was just a wii game only it would probably be a bit weaker.

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The_Djoker
12/19/11 7:20:00 AM
#42:


From: Lightning Strikes | #041
You're right, I'll stop now.

I just can't help myself when people say stupid things. It's a curse.

But I will say lol thinking anyone played TP on the Gamecube.

Now leaving topic.

Pchoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


yeah lol it only sold over a million on GC in the US alone. You say even more stupid things than me and i'll admit to saying stupid things during my time on this board. Your arguments for not having a Non VG character contest was also pretty dumb.

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Lightning Strikes
12/19/11 7:45:00 AM
#43:


*Pchoooooooooooooos back in* but 1 million is very low by Zelda standards, especially compared to the Wii version's 6. Basically, only about 14% of TP players at most played the Gamecube version. That's a very small difference, and when close to 90% of your playerbase played the Wii version, you'd better believe you're a Wii game.

If you're going to call someone dumb, you should at least do the maths and not omit facts like that. Nice job bringing a completely irrelevant argument into it, by the way. I can tell that you're a keeper.

And before you say "but you said nobody played it!", ****ING HYPERBOLE HOW DOES IT WORK

Pchooooooooooooooooooooooooo for real this time!

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Biolizard28
12/19/11 7:55:00 AM
#44:


The state of the contests has absolutely nothing to do with the presence of Zelda or Nintendo in the brackets.

It has everything to do with their presence on the website.

This website is practically gagging on Nintendo's junk, and that's not going to change any time soon. Sales figures don't matter. This website isn't gaining any new traffic and only the old, nostalgia fueled gamers remain, meaning that contest results are going to stagnate. Three classic Nintendo rivalries in the top four, one of which was a lock to win the entire contest. Obviously this is a problem.

If you ask me, we need to start merging our contests with Gamespot's. I know people hate the way their contests are run and wouldn't want to give up our "thing," but we really don't have a choice if we want to keep things from becoming cookie cutter. Hell, if we just lent Gamespot our vote policing, their contests would probably turn out pretty good.

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Wedge Antilles
12/19/11 8:35:00 AM
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SS was pretty damn good, and the Zelda series still churns out some top quality stuff. FF on the other hand has been crap the past few years. Is it a surprise that FF games are losing steam?

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ZeroXtreme24
12/19/11 8:41:00 AM
#46:


Yes, these are game contests, not character contests. Apparently people don't know what the word "rival" means either.

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Vlado
12/19/11 9:38:00 AM
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LOL @ ls trying to twist facts by citing something as laughable as game ratings (because fanboys totally don't give games 10s before they have even played them) as more reliable than actual reviews with actual substance. Never change, dude. xfd

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Inviso
12/19/11 10:48:00 AM
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I agree with the topic title. Ballen needs to realize that if the same boring winner from a 10+ year old game is gonna win EVERY match except against ONE character, it needs to end. Seriously, we finally have an interesting potential for an upset by the Pokemon Trainers and of course the FF7 fanboys on this site ruin everything.

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